Overview: WorkCycles Fr8 Transport Bikes

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Fr8 Series Bicycles Overview
September 2014

Introduction
The WorkCycles Fr8 (pronounced “Freight”) is a modular range of heavy-duty transport bicycles based around two versatile and super-sturdy frames. Unlike most so-called “transport” bikes the Fr8 is a genuine, hard-core workhorse. Everything about the Workcycles Fr8, including the geometry, generous clearances, fittings and materials has been developed to create the toughest, most stable and convenient bicycle possible. It happens to ride beautifully too, regardless of what you pile on.

Here’s the WorkCycles website showing the Fr8 amongst other WorkCycles bikes.

Like all WorkCycles’ bikes the Fr8 is hand-built in the Netherlands. This enables us to use the special parts and finishes required for such heavy-duty bicycles, maintain a very high level of quality and provides enormous flexibility to build the Fr8 to suit each customer’s needs. By choosing from various componentry variants, front and rear carriers, boxes and other options each Fr8 can be configured for a remarkable range of applications. Thus all of the Fr8 models referred to on the WorkCycles website are essentially variations of the same bicycle; Almost all of the parts are compatible with each other so you can even build unique combinations such as a family bike with the delivery style Massive Rack front carrier or a stripped-down Fr8 Cross-frame as a city bike for a huge rider.

    Family transport
    The Fr8 can carry one or two children on the rear carrier and one either in a child seat or kiddy saddle behind the handlebar. There’ll still be plenty of room for mom’s or dad’s knees and groceries on the front carrier. Carrying two or even three kids without a bakfiets has never been so easy.

    Industrial internal transport
    The Fr8 industrial variants are as bombproof, low maintenance and safe as a bicycle can be. The “Massive Rack” front carrier with stable and smooth working integrated parking stand can carry at least 150kg.

    Delivery service
    Boxes of up to 95 liters can be fitted to the “Massive Rack” front carrier, and the extended rear carrier can take even the biggest delivery panniers along. Special carriers can also be built to integrate the existing bins and cases of parcel and delivery services. Even with huge loads the Fr8 handles predictably and safely.

    Urban utility
    The Fr8 combines the utility, durability and honesty of the old Dutch and Danish transport bikes with modern technique. Its an ideal vehicle for the baker, deli, photographer, handyman…

    Heavy cyclists
    The Fr8 is strong enough for the heaviest riders. The fat tires, low instep and spacious frame geometry make it extremely comfortable. The Fr8 even looks good under “people of large stature”.

    Tall cyclists
    Thanks to the special, universal ergonomics the Fr8 Cross frame fits riders from 170cm to about 215cm (5’7” to 7’) regardless of what they weigh. For most really tall individuals their initial ride on the Fr8 is the first time they’ve ever sat comfortably on a bicycle.

WorkCycles Fr8 Features
The Fr8 is not just one or a collection of bikes; It’s a modular system of parts that can almost universally be interchanged and combined. That means you can carry kids on your Fr8 delivery bike, use the bike for multiple purposes or swap carriers to repurpose your Fr8 when your needs change.

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    Universal ergonomics
    The sitting position is comfortably upright. Both Fr8 frame types feature a proprietary (and protected) non-radial seat-tube geometry called the “Adaptive Seat Tube”. The handlebar reach and seat tube angle actually vary accordingly with the height of the saddle, following the ergonomic norms of the population. To state it simply: A woman of 160cm feels as comfortable on the Fr8 as a man of 200cm. The Fr8 Universal frame reliably fits riders from about 155cm to 200cm and the Cross frame fits from about 170cm to well, we haven’t yet met a guy too big.

    This makes the Fr8 an ideal bicycle to share; for a rental company, within a chemical plant, or within a family. The Fr8 is also a bicycle a teenager will never outgrow (or destroy).

    TIG welded chromium molybdnum steel frames
    Very large diameter, 4130 chrome-moly tubing makes the Fr8 frame stiffer and stronger and more corrosion resistant than frames from other manufacturers. The front fork is also chrome-moly steel with oversized steering tube and blades. After six years of production and thousands of Fr8’s in daily service nobody has yet managed to bend or break a Fr8 frame or fork!

    Frames are coated first inside and out with a special zinc-based anti-rust primer and then covered with a tough and environmentally friendly powder-coat. Each frame is guaranteed for 10 years.

    Integrated fittings
    Mounting carriers and accessories to the Fr8 is easy because of the necessary fittings are built into the frame: front and rear carriers, steering stabilizer, storage box, child seats and footrests. Accessories developed in the future will use the same fittings as well. Naturally all fittings for control cables, brake reaction arms and lighting are also integrated into the frame and fork.

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    Frame-mounted carriers
    The Fr8 front carriers are solidly affixed to the frame meaning that they don’t turn with the handlebars and front wheel. The frame geometry is also specifically developed for use with its carriers, enabling the Fr8 to handle easily and safely even with very heavy loads.

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    The “Escape Hatch”
    On other bicycles changing rear tires and inner tubes is a time consuming job requiring an experienced mechanic. The Fr8’s proprietary Escape Hatch enables the rear tire to be changed quickly, without touching the sealed drivetrain.

    Heavy-duty 26” wheels
    Fr8 City variants have wheels with strong, box-section, aluminium rims, 36 2,3mm stainless spokes and smooth riding and durable 55mm wide balloon tires with Kevlar anti-puncture layers.

    Stainless parts & hardware
    The handlebar, stem, brake/gear cables, spokes, carrier brackets and almost all of the nuts, bolts and washers are made of stainless steel so they won’t rust even when stored outdoors for years.

    Sealed hub gears & brakes
    Fr8 City variants have fully sealed 3 or 8 speed Shimano Nexus (or Nuvinci CVT) hub gears with a rear coaster (backpedal) brake or roller (hand) brake. They offer foolproof shifting even while stopped, require almost no maintenance and are out of harm’s way. Industrial variants keep it simple with a super tough, automatic shifting, 2-speed SRAM coaster brake. Road-going models are normally equipped with Shimano front roller brakes (a low maintenance type of drum brake) unaffected by weather and your choice of either rear coaster or roller brake. For those in hillier areas and for Fr8’s with electric assist powerful Magura hydraulic rim brakes are available.

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    Chain-case & mudguards
    The sealed chain-case means no dirty trousers and almost no chain maintenance. The mudguards are stainless steel and powder-coated steel to take a beating and never rust. There is no need to wear special clothes to ride the Fr8.

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    Hub dynamo powered lights
    Fr8 City bicycles are equipped with bright, reliable and silent running lighting systems that require no batteries and almost no maintenance. The front hub dynamo (generator) is protected from harm and runs without noticeable drag or sound. The B&M headlamp has a powerful LED with a clean beam pattern. The tail-lamps have LEDs with a 100,000 hour life-span and energy storage circuitry to remain on for a few minutes while stopped (called “standlight”). Double wiring is routed though the fork, frame and rear mudguard where it’s invisible and out of harm’s way. An even more powerful headlamp with stand light is optional.

Fr8 Frame Types
There are two Fr8 frame styles available. Both are strong enough for the roughest use and have the same special geometry that makes the Fr8 ride so well under so many conditions. All Fr8 carriers and parts fit either frame with the exception of the advertising board that only fits the Universal frame.

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    Fr8 Universal frame
    As its name suggests this is the ideal frame for most general use. The Universal has a fairly low instep for convenience but is as suitable for men as for women. It adjusts to properly fit riders from about 155cm to 200cm (5’3” to 6’6”), more than 95% of the adult population in Europe and North America. With a longer seat post (from a Brompton folding bike) it’ll even fit taller riders.

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    Fr8 Cross frame
    The Fr8 Cross is a men’s style frame that fits riders from about 170cm to about 215cm (5’7” to 7’). The crossed top-tubes enable the same stand-over height as a 58cm frame while the saddle and handlebars can be adjusted to the equivalent of frame sizes more than 75cm tall.

Fr8 Componentry Variants
These are the basic build packages available. As their descriptions imply the “City” models are intended for general use on public roads, while Industry models are generally used in factories, around plants and other closed terrains. Adapting the Fr8 to suit your requirements and regulations is also possible. Please inquire.

    Fr8 City NR3D & NN3D
    The Fr8 City 3sp is equipped for for the rigors of daily, outdoor use: Great lighting with hub dynamo, 3-speed gearing, top quality and nothing you don’t need. You’ll mostly use the direct-drive second gear, but the 33% reduction first gear can be very handy on a heavily loaded bike. The 33% overdrive third gear is for the occasional tailwind or downhill grade. The NR3D has rear coaster brake (backpedal) and the NN3D has a rear rollerbrake. The 3sp models now feature the same top-of-the-line IM80 roller brakes as the 8sp versions.

    Fr8 City NR8D & NN8D
    The City 8sp is the same as the 3sp above, except with a Shimano 8-speed hub. The 8sp hub offers a much wider range of gears for hillier areas, though the spacing between gears is smaller as well. You’ll shift more in normal use. Not only is the 8sp hub more pleasant to use, it’s also much stronger than the 3sp and thanks to large, thick hub flanges wheels built around the 8sp hubs are much more durable. The only difference between the two versions is rear coaster brake (backpedal) on the NR8D and rear rollerbrake (hand operated) on the NN8D.

    Fr8 City NNiD
    The City NNiD features the super strong and smooth NuVinci Constantly Variable Transmission. This unique drivetrain actually has no steps at all between ratios. You can turn the shifter a tiny bit and change your “gear” by say 1%, which is really nice. The range of ratios is also greater than the Shimano 8sp: 360% vs. 305%. On the other hand the NuVinci is considerably more expensive.

    Fr8 Industry-Netherlands
    The Fr8 for internal transport, stripped of all but the essentials and as heavy-duty as possible: extraordinarily strong wheels, an automatic shifting, 2-speed coaster brake, no cables or lights and nearly flat-proof tires. The Fr8 Industry also has a special HD chain, abuse resistant open chain guard and nearly indestructible saddle.

    Fr8 Industry-International
    This is the same as above, except that it adds a Shimano front roller brake and basic dynamo lighting system to make it street-legal in most European countries. Though the Industry is acceptable for road use the City models are nicer riding and better equipped all-around city bikes.

Chassis Options
Outfit the basic Fr8 bicycle for your needs:

    Brooks Leather Saddles
    Brooks leather saddles are beautiful, durable and gradually form to their owner’s anatomy. They’ll last many years if cared for, but a leather saddle can be permanently stretched out by being ridden wet too much. B67 is the standard size, while the “S” designates the “slightly shorter” or ladies’ versions. Brown is standard. Honey and Black sometimes available, maybe for small additional fee.
    Anti-theft cable
    In some cities a saddle with a quick-release will get stolen, so we can fit a small cable from the frame to the saddle. It’s discrete and allows room for adjustment.

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    Handlebar bend
    The standard Fr8 handlebar is called the “Moon” bend and most riders prefer it for its leverage, comfortable wrist position and clearance around child seats. We also offer the square bend “Transport” handlebar. The Transport bar is more traditional looking and pulls further back toward the rider, providing a very upright position. Neither handlebar is “better”; it’s a matter of taste.

    Special Colors
    For an extra charge the Fr8 can be powder-coated in your choice of one or more colors. The special color fee applies whether we paint an entire bike or just one part.

    We also periodically have a batch of frames and parts painted in a color we think is nice. For lack or a better description we call these “Seasonal Colors” and charge only half as much as the custom color option. Just ask what the current seasonal colors are.

    And if that doesn’t make it hard enough to decide we also keep a stock of carriers, child saddle frames and even some rims and fenders in many fun colors so you can mix and match. We normally just charge a half hour labor fee to swap out the carriers for another color, and an hour labor fee for the rims or fenders.

    Note that we are limited to colors from the “RAL Classic” range (about 200 options). Most corporate graphics are specified from the Pantone system so it’s your responsibility to choose the best match in the RAL system. This is something we are not qualified or equipped to do.

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    Advertising board
    With this addition the Fr8 Universal frame gets a large advertising surface. Note that it effectively converts the frame into a “men’s” type frame, though one with a fairly low instep. Tough steel construction. Workcycles can also put your graphics on the board for an additional cost.

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    Laser cut nameplate
    We can even weld custom nameplates into the Fr8 frame. This is handy to identify fleet bikes but also fun to personalize your own bike. Maximum six characters.

    Custom build-up
    Special versions of the Fr8 can be built for fleet use such as for rentals or postal delivery. Please contact us to discuss the possibilities.

Carriers & Parking Stands
Probably never before has so much attention been focused on producing such strong, versatile, good riding cargo carriers for a bicycle… and conversely on designing a bicycle to carry such large loads. All Fr8 load carriers are very securely bolted into the frame where they have little effect on steering.

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    Massive Rack
    The “mother ship” of front carriers, the Massive Rack is a huge carrier strong enough for any load you dare pedal. A rock-stable and smooth working parking stand folds up behind the front wheel. The carrier surface fits Euro-norm 60 x 40cm boxes and bins perfectly. The Massive Rack was designed for industry and delivery but its also handy and fun for daily transportation if you don’t mind attracting some attention. Carry a couple friends to the pub.

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    City carrier
    This frame-mounted, medium-sized, front carrier is strong and extremely handy. It’s ideal for city use, for example in combination with child seats. It’s also perfect for business use when the loads don’t warrant the Massive Rack. Typically a crate, box or basket is mounted on the City carrier and because it is affixed to the frame the load has no influence on the bike’s handling or parking stability.

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    Center stand
    Fr8 bikes not equipped with the Massive Rack need a parking stand. We use the excellent Hebie 2-legged stand. We can fit the more stable Ursus Jumbo stand (that folds outward for a wider stance) but warn that they really don’t last very long. Count on replacing it each year or so.

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    Long rear carrier
    The Fr8 rear carrier is long and versatile. While most rear carriers seem to be installed just to fulfill the expectation that a bike has one, the Fr8 carrier is a carefully engineered basis for either delivery or child transport.

    The carrier is long and stiff enough to ride stably with big newspaper delivery panniers.
    Pannier support frames keep heavily loaded bags away from the rear wheel.
    The excellent Qibbel rear seats clamp right on (and are our top recommendation). Bobike Maxi or Junior child seats can be easily installed onto an integrated mounting point. WorkCycles double rear seat setup is the simplest way to carry two older kids (6+); it’s just a long cushion, a backrest and two sets of folding footrests.

    Two GMG 911 (for 6+) or a 911 and a GMG T30 (for 1+) seats also fit but have been out of production for several years so you’ll need to find your own 2nd hand.

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    No rear carrier needed?
    No problem. An Fr8 with front carrier often doesn’t need a rear carrier. In this case the rear mudguard and taillamp/reflector will be mounted on an extremely sturdy tubular “bumper”. The bumper does triple duty, also protecting the taillamp and mudguard, and serving as a handle as well.

Boxes, Bins & Bags
Below are some popular examples of bags, baskets, bins, boxes, cases and crates that can be combined with the Fr8 carriers to move your goods around.

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    Closed, aluminium box
    This lightweight, weather-sealed box with a locking lid fits nicely on the Massive Rack. It is 60 x 40 x 33cm tall, making it great for deliveries, carrying tools or just doing the groceries.

Delivery basket

    Closed, wicker box
    The classic wicker box with hinged lid is just as handy as its charming. 60 x 40 x 40cm tall.

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    Euronorm box
    These indestructible 60 x 40cm plastic industrial boxes fit perfectly into the Massive Rack. We have them 22cm or 33cm tall in light gray, red, blue and (recycled) dark gray. A simple hinged lid is available.

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    Workcycles “MT” crate
    A tough, black plastic box that fits the Pickup rack perfectly. It’s 50 x 30 x 20cm tall.

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    Milk crate
    The perforated Dutch milk crate is a favorite in Amsterdam. Indestructible black plastic. It’s 43 x 35 x 27cm tall.

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    Clarijs cargo panniers
    Simple, functional and waterproof panniers hand made by our friends in Zeeland in a dazzling array of color combinations. European truck tarp material (“Bisonyl”). 46 liters big.

    Highly customizable including many colors and combinations, rings for locks, cutouts for child seats, hand-cut flowers, insert shopper bags, printed business graphics… We always have a random bunch of examples in stock or you can design your own.

Fr8 Child Transport Options
The Fr8 makes an ideal child transport bike. The long frame has plenty of room for both parents and child seats. The Fr8’s extreme stiffness, transport-bike geometry and fat tires translate into amazingly stable, safe cycling even when loaded with squirming kids and groceries. The low cranks and shallow seat angle bring you close to the ground for easy mounts and dismounts. All of the accessories needed to carry various combinations of kids have been designed to bolt on securely and without fuss.

Smaller children from about 9 months old to about 15kg can ride in a front seat which is nicest for both child and parent. Rear seats are used for kids from 9 months to about 9 years old or 35kg. Front and rear seats can be used together.

Child transport is too extensive and important a topic to cover in detail here but below is a quick overview of the options. Contact us to discuss your specific needs.

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    Front child saddle
    This saddle with foldable footrests mounted behind the handlebar is a minimalist and fun way to carry a child mature enough to hold on securely. You can easily talk with your child and they feel like they’re really riding. Kids really love riding here. Having your child here has the least influence on handling. The simple frame bolts securely to the front carrier mounts on the down-tube of the Fr8. It fits both the Universal and Cross frames and can be used in combination with a front carrier.

    How old must a child be to ride on this saddle? Well, that depends on the child and the situation. In the Netherlands many two year olds ride on the saddle but that’s in safe cycling conditions and with kids who’ve grown up on bikes. A four year old is normally absolutely secure sitting here. We’ll let you use your judgement.

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    Bobike Mini
    The Mini is beginning to look a little old fashioned compared to the newer Yepp Mini but it’s still our favorite front seat. The biggest plus of the Bobike is that the footrests are tucked in nicely so it works much better in combination with a front crate than the more voluminous Yepp. Mounting is simple. The Mini fits all Fr8 variants except in combination with the Massive Rack. There are various accessories such as the windscreen to keep baby (and parent) warm and dry, and a little handlebar/sleeping pad. Additional mounting blocks are available to use the Mini on other bikes as well.

    Yepp Mini
    The Yepp seats are made of that skinned foam stuff that Crocs made so popular and it’s ideal for a child seat because it’s soft and absorbs no water. The Yepp also incorporates nice features such as a secure five point harness and quickly adjustable footrests. Like the Bobike Mini there’s a windscreen available and the Yepp also comes in several colors. Downside: You basically won’t be able to use a front crate together with the Yepp Mini, in our experience a huge bummer.

    Qibbel Achterzitje
    This fairly new seat is our favorite for younger kids on the Fr8 and Gr8. It fits perfectly with a minimum of hardware, is adjustable in angle and is generally just a nicely designed and made seat. The pads, by some miracle of textile engineering, don’t absorb water. Foot protectors are built in so the Fr8 footguards aren’t necessary with this seat.

    Bobike Maxi
    The Maxi is a rear seat suitable for kids from 9 months to about 22kg and it affixes directly to the loop on the Fr8 rear carrier. Again, its available in various colors and variations. Foot-guards must be fitted (see below).

    Bobike Junior
    The Junior is for kids from about 6 years old up to about 32kg. A nice feature is that it folds up so that you can use the top surface as a carrier. Foot-guards must be fitted (see below).

    Qibbel 6+
    As the name implies this minimalist seat is for kids six and older. It fits the Fr8 rear carrier perfectly and replaces the much missed GMG 911. Just note that the Qibbel footrests are junk so we fit our own (and charge a little more too).Foot-guards MUST be fitted as well.

    WorkCycles Super-Duper Foot-guards
    Essentially the same idea as jacket or dress guards fitted to the mudguard on either side of the rear wheel, these offer more coverage, more secure mounting and are much tougher. The guards are unobtrusive in tough grey plastic.

    Note September 2014: The supplier for the WorkCycles Super-Duper Foot-guards went bankrupt and they’re almost out of stock now. Rest assured we’re working on WorkCycles Even-Better Super-Duper Foot-guards.

Notes, Terms and Conditions
Prices and specifications are subject to change without notice.

To order or for more information please contact us.

Copyright 2009-2014 WorkCycles B.V.

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134 Responses to “Overview: WorkCycles Fr8 Transport Bikes”

  1. Ben Says:

    FR8 Transport Bike in Vinex Suburbia

    Dear Henry,

    One of the best memories of my childhood is riding with my father on his big black bicycle. In absence of a proper childseat, sitting on the frame in front of him. I wish my father could have seen me riding the FR8 Transport Bike with 3 kids.

    This bike is excellent. Robust, but not clumsy. Special, but not complicated. Prestigious, but not flashy. Even with 3 kids the ride is steady and still there is plenty of room for schoolbags, groceries, balls etc.

    This time not recorded in Amsterdam but in “Vinex Suburbia” in The Hague I have included a short movie of a ride to the park on a sunny April day.

    Best regards,

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjWKLozSa5c

  2. henry Says:

    Ben,
    Thank you very much for the praise of the Fr8. Of course after so much thought and development we’re very proud of it but it’s great to have that confirmed by our customers.

    I’d love to watch the video but it’s unfortunately protected: listed as “private”. Can you change that?

    Thanks,
    Henry

  3. Ben Says:

    Henry,

    The link is public now.

    Regards,
    Ben
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjWKLozSa5c

  4. Jeroen Hoekstra Says:

    Overall the bike is excellent, mine is in use since 8 months. However there are some weak points. The bike-standard broke in normal use within 6 months. Not all the washers are rust-free, resulting in very ugly stains. And the bike-chain is not rust-free and should have been. The ball-bearing on the left side of the pedals is uncovered and thus very rusty.

    A few silly mistakes on an otherwise excellent bike.

  5. Todd Edelman Says:

    Jeroen, what is a bike-standard?

  6. henry Says:

    Todd, I believe Jeroen is referring to the center stand, which is “standaard” in Dutch.

  7. henry Says:

    Jeroen,
    Thanks for your feedback. Below a few answers about the points you note:
    – Though the Hebie was by far the best parking stand available until a couple months ago we’ve seen a couple broken examples, mostly after adults sat on the bike while parked. In any case there is finally a better stand on the market and we’ll shortly switch to these. The new stand is wider, more stable, lighter and smoother working.

    – The little rust spots around the bolts are very difficult to avoid because galvanized (verzinkte) washers will rust but stainless washers will react with the zinc coated frames. We’re damned either way!

    – The chain doesn’t need to be rust free because it’s inside a closed chain case – just oil it well every half year or so. In some extreme conditions it might be better to oil it more often.

    – There shouldn’t be any exposed ball-bearings. Perhaps the cover is missing?

  8. Anonymous Says:

    please let me know how I can purchase your products in Princeton New Jersey

  9. henry Says:

    Have a look at the dealers page on the WorkCycles site. Adeline Adeline in Manhattan is the closest dealer to NJ:
    http://www.workcycles.com/dealers

  10. ANdrew Horton Says:

    Hello,

    I am in London (UK). Could you tell me where I might buy one of these bikes and some accessories, such as child seats? Also, I would like to see the price list for all of the accessories. Does such a thing exist?

  11. Brendan Says:

    Hi, I am looking for a bike to carry my twin daughters (6 months) as soon as they can sit by themselves. During the first 3 years I will be able to carry my kids on the “fr8″ using one child seat at the handle bar and one at the rear.
    The question is: Will I be able to use two child seats at the rear of the bike as soon as the kids have grown out of the i.e. bobike mini, which they will be able to use until the age of 3 or is the rear not long enough to fit child carriers other than the GMG 911?
    As the GMG 911 can only be used from the age of 6 onwards, I would need a solution to bridge the gap between 3 and 6.
    Thanks & regards

  12. henry Says:

    Brendan,
    Twins are invariably a tricky situation on these bikes. To answer your questions:
    1. Yes, the first three years are no problem at all.

    2. On the rear carrier you can also fit one GMG T30 (for kids 9 months to 6 years) and one GMG 911. This might not be described above yet.

    3. GMG says, for liabiility reasons, that the 911 seat is for kids of at least 6 years old. In reality lots of parents put younger kids on them… not toddlers of course, but perhaps mature 4 1/2 and 5 year olds.

    4. If a child still fits and isn’t too heavy he/she can continue riding in the front seat past 3 years old. The latest seats such as the GMG Yepp Mini and Bobike City Mini allow for longer legs.

    5. Many kids can safely sit on our child saddle at a fairly young age. A couple local parents are carrying 2 year olds on them though I think that’s really too young. Most kids should be fine here by three or four. They just have to understand that their feet must remain on the footrests and that they have to hold on.

    So, in a nutshell it’s rather dependent on the particular kids and on the situation. Clearly less support is needed for carrying kids short distances around a relatively safe Dutch city than (less cycling familiar) kids in less cozy traffic elsewhere. My gut feeling is that after a couple years experience you’d figure out a way to make it work during that in between period… even if it might mean bending some rules.

  13. michael Says:

    Dear Henry

    you mention for the front saddle the minimum age 4, and that some people have much younger children on.

    What is about the maximum age, or probably easier to tell: height and weight for the front saddle.

    Thanks

  14. henry Says:

    Michael,
    The maximum size/age for the front saddle is only a function of comfort. A child can sit there for as long as his legs aren’t too cramped and mom can still see over his head. By eight or so most kds will prefer sitting at the rear.

  15. Nicholas Says:

    Hi Can you price each of the following
    FR8 City GT3
    Long Rear Carrier
    Front Child Seat
    GGG911 SEAT
    1 X foot guards
    optional spray colour

    How long would it take for this to be made ready for collection in Amsterdam please?
    Many thanks
    Nicholas

  16. Rocco Says:

    I would like to know how I can buy the wicker basket as shown in the picture.

  17. Rob Says:

    Is the Seat Tube Box available yet (Nov/10)? Cost?

    Rob

  18. henry Says:

    Rocco, You can contact Workcycles to purchase the wicker baskets.

    Rob, We’ve been saying “soon” for the Seat Tube Box availability for a couple years… but now it really will be soon. We think it’ll cost about €30-40.

  19. Rob Says:

    “Soon” is a relative term like “not far”. Can you quantify that? Dec, March, June?

    Rob
    Ottawa

    PS Loving the FR8.

  20. henry Says:

    Rob,
    I’m specifically being vague to avoid raising expectations and then disappointing people. The Seat Tube Box is one piece of a larger development project including our own, more compact chain case and a lighter, stronger, aluminium crankset with a 38T chainring. I expect, but do not promise, that they’ll be complete sometime during the winter.

  21. uwe Says:

    here is another nice part for your nice bicycles:

    http://www.chainrunner.de/index_en.html

  22. Ndru Says:

    @uwe
    I would say it still doesn’t prevent your trousers from going inbetween the chainring and the chain… Otherwise very imaginative, if a bit pointless…

  23. henry Says:

    …nor does it really protect the chain from water and dirt.

    I’ve actually never really understood the objection to complete chaincases. Modern variants provide great chain (and trouser) protection, weigh almost nothing and have a hatch at the back for lubricating and tensioning the chain. Completely disassembling it for a major service requires removing only four screws.

  24. Todd Edelman Says:

    Regarding chaincases and such…. if I may speak for the Germans, the complete chaincase is not sporty enough, it says “grandpa’s bike” and so on. So what do they do? Make the Chainrunner and that other thing which covers the chain in a plastic sheath. These achieve part of what the full case does, especially in the minds of lesser (less aware= cycling culture. To their credit, based on how Workcycles bikes are equipped, mid-tech things such as lights and locks are “Made in Germany” and good. (Note also that the Dutch don’t really try to make cars anymore.) Beyond this there are Retrovelo bikes (very expensive) and Rohloff hubs (expensive and complicated), then also Ortlieb bags, and below there is Diamant (made in Leipzig) which makes bikes at least with looks that stand out against other German brands.

  25. Ike Says:

    I’m yet another Fr8 rider looking forward to that seat tube box… although I’m also contemplating a small basket or bucket affixed to the rear side of the front rack; it wouldn’t get in the way of my legs or any cargo the rack either.

  26. Steve Hauck Says:

    Where can I purchase these bikes in the United States?

  27. Todd Edelman Says:

    @Steve: http://www.workcycles.com/dealers

  28. Javier Pascual Says:

    Can I Buy a fr8 in Valencia, Spain?
    Thanks

  29. henry Says:

    Javier,
    I’ve also answered your question by email: Workcycles has no dealer in Spain but we do ship bikes all over the world. As of April 2011 packing and shipping to Spain will cost €200 including VAT, somewhat more if the Fr8 is equipped with a Massive rack and/or child seats. You can contact us at info@workcycles.com for more info.

  30. jose Says:

    Hola Javier:
    yo igual también compraba una fr8 y compartíamos costes de transporte. ¿Cómo lo ves?
    Mi mail es japetrirena@gmail.com
    Un saludo

  31. Javier Pascual Says:

    How much weight is the FR8, with long rear carrier?

  32. henry Says:

    Javier, The Fr8 can be built in many different configurations. Excluding the heavy Massive Rack it’ll weigh between 22 and 28kg depending on which carriers, child saddle, gears, brake options etc. That’s pretty light for a vehicle that can carry 250kg and live outdoors year round.

  33. Eva Says:

    I do like your blog, I am starting a project on cargo bike culture:
    http://cargobikeculture.blogspot.com.
    Cheers

  34. henry Says:

    Hi Eva,
    Look forward to seeing where your blog goes. Might be nice to credit that photo on your blog… to me at Workcycles ;-)

  35. Eva Says:

    Hi Henry,

    You right, I will!! Sorry about that!!! ;-P

  36. Lutz Says:

    Dear Henry,

    I am happy to find your fr8-bike. We already bought a Römer Seat for a classic bike frame. Is it possilble to mount them on the seat post of your bike or is the position to inclined?

    Best regards

    Lutz

  37. henry Says:

    Hi Lutz,
    We don’t have any experience with the Römer seats but it’ll probably fit fine if you bend the stays to match the angle of the seat tube. They’re probably solid steel or at least very thick walled tubes so it should be almost impossible to damage them.

    The other challenge might be that the Römer bracket doesn’t reach far enough to the rear so that the child has your butt in her face. You’ll have to check this out.

    Of course if the Römer doesn’t work a perfect fitting Bobike Maxi seat only costs about €85.

  38. Matt Says:

    Henry:

    I purchased a FR8 several months ago and have been riding it lots since then. It is an absolutely terrific bike – very well thought out, very comfortable and just great fun to ride. Thank you for producing an excellent product.

    One question: I am interested in the seat tube box. Is is available yet?

    Regards,
    Matt

  39. Melanie Says:

    Hello Henry,
    Thank you for including info on front mounted child seats. I am in the US and they are certainly not as common here. My son is 18 months (small for his age ~ .8 m tall) and I was hoping to get a Bobike mini or Yepp mini. My only concern is that I may not be tall enough to see over him as I am only about 1.6 m tall. In your experience, do you know if one of these seats places the child lower than the other? And if it is too difficult for me to see over and around him, would you recommend the Bobike maxi?
    Thank you!
    Kindly,
    Melanie

  40. Michael Preiss Says:

    Hello Henry,

    I ride my mountain bike 15-25 miles every weekend single track, seeking a commuter bike to get me to the office once or twice a week. Round trip is 30 miles. I’ve looked at a lot of bikes. How does this one handle distance? I need durability and carry capacity. Please advise. Thanks. Michael

  41. Frits B Says:

    So as not to embarrass Henry: http://mamafiets.blogspot.com/2011/05/workcycles-fr8-some-first-impressions.html

  42. John Says:

    Hello Henry,

    Can you tell me if the rear rack can mount two Bobike Junior seats or does one have to use two GMG911 childseats? Will either solution work for two children (7 and 5 who are 120cm and 126cm tall) – I want to carry them on the school run for at least 2-3 years as I live in a bicycle unfriendly city too dangerous for children to ride on the roads.

  43. henry Says:

    John,
    No, only one Bobike seat will fit on the rear of the Fr8. Two GMG 911’s will fit and we also now make a kit consisting of a thick cushion, a backrest and two sets of foldable footrests that will also carry two kids of about six and up.

  44. Doug Salzmann Says:

    The Fr8 is a remarkable bike, Henry. It’s elegant, extraordinarily functional, rock-solid, a sweet ride.

    I just bought one the other day.

    Unfortunately, I think there’s a serious problem: The Shimano roller brake system is not safe or adequate at gross weights anywhere near those you advertise for the bike.

    I was concerned that this might be a problem when I went to My Dutch Bike to purchase the machine. I’ve been off the bike for nearly three years because of health problems, but I’ve ridden several bikes with Shimano rear roller brakes over the past decade and they were generally wimpy and unimpressive, to say the least. I sure wouldn’t have put any of them on the front wheel of a seriously loaded bike with a heavy rider, unless it was to be ridden only uphill.

    I couldn’t find model numbers for the front hub and brake anywhere online, so I made a mental note to ask when I got to the shop. What actually happened was that I told Josh, with open skepticism about the configuration, that in my experience the roller brakes weren’t beefy enough for heavily-loaded bikes. He assured me that the system on the Fr8 was more than adequate and told me that “. . . there are different levels of these brakes, now” (I think that’s an accurate quote).

    It was clear to me that Josh knows these bikes well, and that he is a real lifer cyclist (a guy who would ride across the US on a fixed gear, pulling a trailer, is lost forever) and a talented wrench. Also, I didn’t have the right glasses to read fine print on bike components. And, of course, the “test ride” down the sidewalk and up and down the alley in back of the building, didn’t reveal anything. So I trusted him and bought the bike.

    It was a great ride down Market Street to the Ferry Building, a beautiful trip across the bay, and everyone loved the bike. Loved it vocally. I’ll tell you some day — you’ll like the story.

    The last random meeting of the day was Gary Fisher’s mother, who also loved the bike. Pretty sweet.

    It’s been a rainy, blustery weekend. No fun to ride the new bike, especially without a cover for the slightly stiff new Brooks. But I did get time to put the bike on the stand and do a familiarization and pre-flight inspection. Still more nice things discovered.

    But I also discovered that the the brake modulator in the DH-2R35-E hub is rated by Shimano for a maximum gross load of 120 kg/265 lbs (I didn’t even have to pull the PDF of the Shimano fold-out to learn that: when I had the right glasses, I could see that the little yellow warning sticker on the hub — the one I assumed was the “Don’t Shock Yourself” warning — clearly specifies the range limits.

    And, of course, when I looked up the BR-IM45-F, I found that it is built to the same 100 kg maximum gross as the rear brakes I was familiar with. Call it 225 pounds for innumerate Americans and backward/recalcitrant Brits. ;^)

    Since we should be conservative in our back-of-envelope applications engineering and use the lower of the two values (unless and until we do a serious analysis), we end up with something like this: If the bike weighs 28 kg (I’ll bet mine does), we subtract 28 from 100 and get 72 kilograms as the maximum brake-manufacturer-approved total weight of rider and cargo. Less than a third of 250.

    Having done this quick research, and remembering my previous experience with roller brakes, I don’t think I’ll be in a hurry to load up the Fr8 with my 240-plus pound self, a hundred pounds of groceries and miscellaneous gear, and ride, say, down the hill from the Golden Gate Bridge to Sausalito. If I do get that crazy, I’ll make sure I have cyclist-videographers along for the ride, front and back. There’d be a good chance of getting exciting “action-adventure” footage.

    Anyway, as I indicated, this seems like a significant problem to me. I’d like to discuss it with you, and I ‘d prefer to do it here on your blog, where we can benefit from others’ input and others can stay informed. Hello! to Todd and Rick and whomever else I may know here.

    Of course, Henry, this brake problem isn’t really nearly as serious traveling at 15 kph into a headwind on the flat. So, if you need an aging, non-Dutch-speaking manager and mechanic for a shop in, maybe, Groningen, we won’t have to fix anything and I’ll work for a visa, cheap wages, and plenty of free time to ride. ;^) Even if you bought me off, though (at such a reasonable price!), I think we’d have to sort out this brake thing for other Fr8 riders.

    (Full disclosure: Before offering me work, you should know that my wife has sometimes told me I’m the grumpiest man on the planet.)

    I look forward to an interesting conversation.

    Best regards.

    ~Doug

  45. henry Says:

    Hi Doug,
    Thanks for the extensive analysis but it really isn’t necessary. We only fit the base model IM45 rollerbrake to 3-speed Fr8’s which are naturally intended for flatter terrain and lighter loads. All 8-speed Fr8’s currently have IM81’s and previously IM70’s, both more than adequate for the job regardless of what Shimano prints on them. We’ve fit the same brakes to thousands of Fr8’s and Cargobikes ridden by customers all over the world. I’ve taken my own Fr8 on holiday and safely ridden around hilly cities with two kids and baggage aboard.

    And just because the Fr8 is strong enough to handle a load of a couple hundred kilos doesn’t mean it’s meant to do so under all conditions. Would I recommend loading up the Massive Rack with 100kg of cargo and pointing the bike down a steep San Francisco hill? No, I wouldn’t.

    So the only thing that’s a little strange is that your Fr8 has IM45 rollerbrakes instead of the bigger IM70/80/81 brakes we fit to the bikes.

  46. Doug Salzmann Says:

    Hi, Henry.

    Thanks for the reply.

    I actually thought the analysis (not at all extensive, but that could be done) *was* required. Indeed, the briefest of mental calculations was sufficient to cause me to challenge your sales and advertising practices in my post.

    It really doesn’t help much to put the other brakes in the IM series on the bike (if you do that), when you’re using hubs with integrated modulators rated at 120 kg.

    Also, I think it’s rash of you to to so readily dismiss “what Shimano prints on them.” No reasonable person, and no engineer, would accept such a cavalier attitude toward safety limitations, without supporting evidence.

    It’s pretty simple, really: The Fr8, as equipped, is unsafe for operation with heavy loads, except at slow speeds in flat terrain. If you’re going to sell them to families with children on the mountainous west coast of North America, you need to either equip the bikes to adequately handle the kinds of loads you advertise, or provide bold and inescapable warnings of the weight and operating-conditions limitations.

    And you certainly need to properly educate your retailers about the limitations of the bikes, as-shipped, and make certain that they honestly communicate those limitations to potential buyers.

    Doing any less is, in my view, reckless endangerment.

    Regards.

    ~Doug

  47. henry Says:

    Doug,
    There’s nothing at all cavalier about my attitude and I really do not appreciate your unfounded cries of “unsafe or operation” and “reckless endangerment”. We and thousands of customer ride with these brakes in the real world with real loads and real children in real cities and on real hills and they really work just fine. No, they’re not snappy feeling and pavement tearing like hydraulic disks but they do stop the bikes safely… yes, even with the front hub’s power modulator which rarely actually comes into play. There is no need for “bold and inescapable warnings” because within the range of conditions these bikes are obviously intended and designed for there is no problem.

    Further Shimano’s roller brakes are the only brakes that meet our demands for minimal maintenance, real-world damage resistance and compatibility with the internal gear hubs and hub dynamos we fit. No rim or disk brakes can safely withstand the rough and tumble life of an outdoor bike. The few available drum brakes (mainly Sturmey Archer) aren’t even a fraction as good as Shimano’s rollerbrakes. Coaster brakes are great for relatively flat terrain but cannot dissipate enough heat for use in hilly areas.

    We’re also in close contact with Shimano, have discussed their rollerbrakes extensively with them and have even been entrusted to test preproduction samples. We had a fleet of Cargobikes and Fr8’s equipped with IM80’s long before they hit the market. Shimano is thus well aware of Workcycles application of rollerbrakes on heavy-duty bikes and the latest models such as the IM80 and IM81 incorporate changes that address complaints from Workcycles and others.

    Your particular bike, however, does have the wrong brakes for the job but you don’t seem willing to accept that.

  48. Doug Salzmann Says:

    Well, thanks for, at least, taking time to respond, Henry.

    It’s fairly clear that you and I have widely-different understandings of a bicycle manufacturer’s (or seller’s) ethical responsibilities. Different understandings, too, of safe and adequate bicycle braking.

    At a minimum, even if you do nothing else and admit no error in judgment or practice, please do this: Start having Niijland add ISO tabs to the front forks and canti mounts to the seat stays. That would permit customers riding your bikes in terrain radically different from the Low Countries to equip their bikes with adequate braking without extraordinary expense. It would cost you, perhaps, €10.

    > Your particular bike, however, does have the wrong brakes for the job
    > but you don’t seem willing to accept that.

    You’re quite wrong. I’m not a bit concerned about my own bike. I actually knew that I would need to change the brakes before I walked through your dealer’s door. It just happened that the interaction (very pleasant and friendly) with the staff led me to conclude that these bikes are being sold by people who don’t understand their limitations, and are being sold in a market where their limitations are inappropriate.

    I think I’m done here, for now. Knowing your position, I’m prepared for discussions with the retailers.

    I do want to say that I consider this issue to be the only major (I hope never fatal) flaw in a brilliant design. When I knew I would be able to get back on the bike after some health issues, research on currently-available frames (yours appeared over here as I was sidelined) led me to select the Fr8 over all others, despite knowing I would need to make expensive modifications. It is truly a remarkable bicycle.

    Regards.

    ~Doug

  49. henry Says:

    Josh, Doug,
    With all due respect I’ve removed your two last comments. I don’t believe they were adding anything to this discussion and I don’t want my blog, especially not the overview page of one of our bike models, to be a war of opinion. What’s been discussed between Doug and myself is plenty enough for a topic that’s already been discussed elsewhere several times. I think it’s clear we’ve settled on the fact that we have to agree to disagree (very, very strongly in this case). I hope that will be the end of this little story.

    I will now go back to business as usual, running a company that has, for many good reasons, had a fantastic record of safety and customer satisfaction for almost a decade. Thanks for your understanding.

  50. Rob Gusky Says:

    I have commuted daily on a Trek Soho with Gates belt drive system for 2 years. It has performed well and I appreciate not having to lube and maintain the chain. I see that you have chain cases which look good, but was wondering if you offer Gates belt drive system as an option.

    Best regards,

    Rob

  51. henry Says:

    Rob,
    We’ve looked at and tested the belt drive systems and don’t see it as being relevant for Workcycles bikes in the short term. The reasons have been discussed both in various posts in this blog and on the quite active @Workcycles Facebook Group.

  52. Maarten Says:

    Do I need the Chris King 1 1/8″ threaded Gripnut or 2Nut for the FR8?

  53. henry Says:

    Hai Maarten,
    Both of those types fit but I recommend the Gripnut since the Fr8 doesn’t need spacers or a cable stop.

  54. Maarten Says:

    Ok thanks. Because the 2Nut specifies 38.5mm for stackhight and the FR8 is 35.5mm… Gripnut specifies 33.9-38.9 mm… But since your call was Gripnut to begin with I’ll go with that. Any news on delivery date for the new FR8? Because I’m Workcycle off since today. And it just doesn’t feel right man. :)
    Thanks!

  55. henry Says:

    Maarten, I saw your old Fr8 here today. I don’t know the exact status of the new one. We’re waiting on a bunch of bikes from the factory. Perhaps yours is one of the bikes that’s due to come in next week.

  56. Maarten Says:

    What is the FR8 seat post ø diameter?

  57. henry Says:

    31,8mm which is easy to find, but many seat posts can’t adjust properly at the angle of the adaptive seat tube. If you want to put a funky post (colored?) in a Fr8 look for the type with a cylindrical clamp since they can adjust to any angle. Sorry, I don’t know who currently makes those in this size.

  58. Maarten Says:

    Was liking this but the nearest size is 31.6mm:
    http://epicbike.bigcartel.com/products

  59. henry Says:

    Nope, it’s really gotta be 31,8mm, and that post probably won’t tilt far enough for the Fr8.

  60. Mike Says:

    Hi Henry,
    I’m visiting Europe and went into your bikeshop to buy replacement kickstands for our bikes. Having stumbled across your great bikes, I want to buy 2 when I get back to Seattle since the retail price is similar to buying from you directly. I want to buy locally what the Seattle store does not import but I did not see the seat tube box in either of your stores or on your web page. I think its a great idea. Does it exist?
    I also noticed that there are 3 different sizes of roller brakes. I sometimes like to pull my 3 year old around in a bike wagon. I then, of course, load the back with groceries so I end up pulling 40 kilos behind the bike. Which size roller brakes would you recommend?

    Thanks in advance for the help,
    Mike

  61. Henry Says:

    Hi Mike,
    Thanks for pointing out what a lot of people don’t seem to realize: that once all of the costs are added up it costs about the same to buy a bike from us and Amsterdam and fly home with it as it costs to buy from a local dealer… if you’re lucky enough to have a Workcycles dealer nearby. Shipping a bike from Amsterdam to another country is more expensive.

    Sometimes somebody wants a bike the dealer doesn’t offer and then we discuss the best we to handle that.

    To answer your questions:
    1. The seat tube box has been a low priority project for a couple years. Yes, we are working on it but it turned out to be more difficult than we expected to make one that’s easy to use, isn’t a perfect sound amplification box, stays in place and doesn’t cost too much to make. We’ll probably introduce it later this year in combination with the new chaincase. The two fit together perfectly.

    B. There are quite a few sizes of roller brakes but we’ve tested and disassembled them all and found that there are actually just two roller brake units with various sizes of heat sink disks on them. We fit the base model IM45 to 3sp bikes and the better IM80 or IM81 to 8sp bikes. Just get the IM80-81 since it’s a much better brake. It’s not important in flat Holland so we save most of our customers €60 here.

  62. Christian Says:

    Henry, would fitting the DH-2R35-E-H dynamo hub and BR-IM86-F roller brakes be available as an option for the Fr8? In combination, they could provide greater braking assurance for heavier riders who live in hilly places.

    (Shimano has documented the 2R35-E-H hub as supporting a gross bicycle + rider + cargo weight of 140 kg [308 lb], and the IM86 brakes as supporting a gross weight of 130 kg [286 lb].)

  63. henry Says:

    Christian,
    Shimano benelux doesn’t even list the DH-2R35-E-H on their (quite terrible) site but it might be possible to get one. On the other hand it might be an OEM only part (like the IM80 brake is) thus impossible to find unless you order a couple thousand from Singapore and wait nine months. Yes, that’s how Shimano works.

    We’ve opened up enough rollerbrakes to figure out that there are actually only two models which then have various cooling disk fitted to make them look different. Internally there are the base models (IM45 & 55) with the flat braking surface and the higher-end models (IM80, IM81, IM86…) with the V-shaped braking surface. The other differences are largely cosmetic.

    But as I and a couple other commenters have noted repeatedly there really isn’t a problem to be solved here. I ride a Fr8 with the standard hub dynamo and IM80 roller brakes. Even with two kids and luggage aboard the bike stops solidly down the steepest bridges. I’ve brought the bike on the train to hilly cities and ridden down very steep hills with the kids and it was just fine. Never have I felt the so called “power modulator” braking limiter release. We could hypothesize about riding with much heavier loads in hilly terrain but it’s just not realistic because you won’t be able to pedal it up those hills either.

  64. Eric Says:

    It looks like Bobike isn’t making the original mini any more, just the “mini+” and “mini city.” Do you offer / recommend either version over the other?

    Thanks,
    Eric

  65. henry Says:

    Eric,
    Bobike does actually still make the original MIni but doesn’t show it on their site. We stock them at Workcycles.

  66. Michael Says:

    Hello Henry,
    I’m very interested in the Fr8, particularly as you offer a plethora of options to customise the ride. As a postman I ride a pashley pronto which is part of the An Post (Irish Post) delivery fleet. It’s a great bike and I’m certainly not going to criticise it (I have 2 pashleys in my own personal collection). However I can’t very well be seen riding it in civilian mode.

    I am aware of the quality of your bikes having bought the Azor Kruisframe from you some time ago. Great bike and I might add more than capable of braking safely even with a heavy load down a hill and I should know!
    Is it possible to have the front rack enclosed to contain a bag as Pashley have done for An Post? Or with the front rack that comes standard, how do you secure the Workcycles ‘OT’ crate so as to prevent it slipping off?

  67. Todd Edelman Says:

    Michael, my limited experience with the pick up front rack is that a) anything can be attached to it (though Workcycles sells that stuff with good size matching) with zipties or those u-bolts with nuts and both ends etc and that handling will be seriously and negatively effected long before it gets too heavy to damage anything on the bike.

    I also know that the new type of pick up rack is bolted directly to the down tube, whereas the (heavier and weaker?) older model that I have slides into tubes bolted to the downtube. For my own bike I like the older model as I leave the rack and attached large open top box off of the bike unless I am going to do some big shopping. As I have no rear rack now (on purpose) I just use a small backpack if I dont use the rack-box. Better of course would to have either two rack-boxes (with the second a smaller box or no box) and best would be to have a very robust quick release system with one rack and two boxes. I believe the latter is possible using some kind of quick release system.

  68. henry Says:

    Hello Michael,
    Yes, we could fabricate and weld a “ring” to one of our front carriers to hold a specific bag or box. We’d need a clear drawing of the dimensions and requirements to provide a quote.

    We have two ways of securing boxes and crates to the City front carrier; We generally just drill small holes and double wrap good quality zip-ties through. For more demanding applications we use small, stainless steel clamps.

    Todd,
    You’re confusing the Pickup carrier designed by Maarten van Andel and sold by Azor with the City carrier I designed of the Fr8. The City has the four bolt holes and only fits Fr8 and Gr8. The Pickup fits many bikes by sliding into the two tubes. If you compare them side to side you can see that they’re actually very different though they look similar from a distance.

  69. Josette Says:

    Hi,

    I am hoping to test ride the Fr8 and Gr8 as soon as they arrive at Adeline Adeline in a month or two! I have been wondering how kids on the rear deck hold on — I’ve seen pictures of them hanging onto mom or dad’s waist but I would not be comfortable with that setup. Is it possible to add a stoker bar like the one on the Yuba or Xtracycle to the seatpost?

    Thanks,
    Josette

  70. henry Says:

    Hi Josette,
    Adeline probably already has Fr8’s unless they’re sold out.

    Kids can sit on the rear in various ways, most of which are described above. It sounds like you’re referring to older kids in which case there are a few options:
    – One can mount one or two proper child seats, one Bobike Junior or one or two GMG 911’s
    – We also have a long pad with backrest and footrests

    No rear child seat has a means for a child to hang on with their hands, nor is that needed. We assume one is just cycling for transportation on such a bike, not jumping, bouncing over rough trails or other activities that would require security beyond the child(ren) simply sitting, having feet on the pegs and maybe holding on by their sides,

    Come to think of if this is also how passengers ride on motorcycles, involving far greater g-forces and danger than a Fr8 passenger will ever experience.

  71. Josette Says:

    Adeline ran out of Fr8s! I was there this past weekend and they had sold out. Thanks for answering my question. I had not thought of the motorcycle comparison. Having tried a Yuba and an Xtracycle (but not an Fr8 or Gr8 yet), I was trying to compare them and their child-carrying options. When I had my six-yr-old on the rear deck of the Xtra, it wasn’t clear to me where he’d hang on if not for the stoker bars. Even with the bars to hold he was a little scared. I guess he’d have to learn to balance better…Well, I’ll have to see how it feels on the test ride. Thanks again! It’s fantastic to be able to talk directly with the people designing the bike! :)

  72. Hank Says:

    Hello Henry,
    I’d like to come to Amsterdam for a couple of days this summer or fall and then ride home with a brand new Fr8. Do you think it would be possible to have what would most likely be the best frame size ready (I wouldn’t be able to stay in town for very long, and there would be issues of color, rack options, etc.)? I’m not very experienced when it comes to these matters, so sorry for the initial bonehead question.
    I think I recall you writing that the Fr8 would be undergoing some changes in the near future… When do you anticipate this happening?
    Thanks,
    Hank

  73. henry Says:

    Hello Hank,
    Thanks. We try to keep as few bikes as possible in stock and our workshops are usually booked up for a week or two… so it’s always best to order bikes a couple months in advance. Of course we do our best to accommodate customers just passing through or who need a bike NOW. Front and rear carriers, child seats and other accessories we normally have a broad inventory of in various colors.

    There are only two Fr8 frames which fit almost everybody so sizing is simple. That’s all described extensively in the post above.

    There are no noteworthy changes planned for the Fr8. It’s very good as it is. At some point we’ll switch over to a new type of chaincase and crank but that’s it.

  74. Hank Says:

    Thanks, Henry. I just learned that my local dealer _might_ be able to order a Workcycles bike via the dealer in Berlin (Zweitrad) because both shops are in the VSF group. That might be the best way for me to proceed given that Amsterdam and Berlin are a ways off for me.

    Could I also just order straight from you? It seems that having a dealer would make things easier for you when it comes to shipping, and I would have a place to take the bike for inspections, etc. Is this true?

    Hank

  75. henry Says:

    Hank,
    Yes, you can order a bike directly from us in Amsterdam. That is probably simplest. Just send a mail to info@workcycles.com.

  76. Christian Says:

    Hi,
    I really like Fr8 Cross Frame with the massive rack. But i was Sonderling wether it will fit in combination with the Yepp Mini.
    Have you tried that?

    Christian

  77. henry Says:

    Hi Christian,
    No, the combination of front child seat and Massive Rack doesn’t work unless you’re very tall and can ride with the handlebar stem very high so that the foot bins clear the Massive Rack’s rear frame. The child saddle does work with the Massive Rack though.

  78. Bart Houben Says:

    Is de bagagedrager van de fr8 fiets compatibel met het Easyfit systeem van Yepp?
    (http://www.yepp.nl/Info/Easyfit-window)

  79. henry Says:

    Bart,
    De drager zelf heeft de Yepp “Window” niet maar de Easy Fit adaptor past wel. Echter vind ik de Yepp Maxi niet de best passend zitje achterop de Fr8.

    De Qibbel zitje past er perfect op en is ook een prima zitje. Dezelfde geldt voor de Bobike Maxi en Maxi City met dragerbevestiging.

  80. Scott Says:

    Hi Henry, I live in Australia and recently test rode a universal frame Fr8 with the dealer over here who was really helpful. I love everything about the bike, I think it’s superb. I liked the plastic chain case a lot and am curious as to what changes will be made to it.

  81. henry Says:

    Scott, the new chaincase is just a little better fit with the new aluminium 38T crank and with the long promised but never delivered seat tube box. Functionally it has little influence on the bike and is certainly not something to bother waiting for.

  82. Scott Says:

    Cheers Henry, I’ll be ordering one soon. One last question and excuse my ignorance but what’s the seat tube box? I’ve seen it on a few posts but don’t quite grasp the idea.

  83. henry Says:

    It’s a box between the rear fender and frame to put a lock or other stuff in.

  84. Tobias Says:

    Hi Henry: I am looking for some decision support for the question of x-frame vs. universal frame on the Fr8. Aesthetically I prefer the x-frame, but for practical reasons (mainly easier step-through when bike loaded with kids), the universal frame would be better. The other main reason for the universal frame would be that my wife could also easier use the bike. Are there any other criteria that I have missed (weight?), and what is your usual recommendation for a relatively tall (190) and heavy (90kg) guy with 2 kids (1.5 and 4)?

    Also: any link or information that helps choosing between the massive (front) rack, vs. the city carrier. My understanding: the massive rack is more heavy and clumsy, but allows a larger box to be fitted, plus the added stability (as compared to the normal stand) makes loading kids etc. easier?

  85. henry Says:

    Tobias,
    I think you’ve already answered your own question about the two frame options. The Crossframe has aesthetic appeal but in all other criteria the Universal frame is more practical for you.

    The Massive Rack is just like it sounds: A really big (and heavy) front carrier with built in (super stable) parking stand. It’s great for carrying bulky or heavy loads for short distances. Most of these are used for delivery or in industrial situations. There are some dads and moms riding around with the Massive Rack on their family Fr8 but most people find it just too big and heavy.

  86. michael_ Says:

    Tobias,
    my opinion is that if you really want to use the full capacity the Fr8 has to offer, you should go for the Massive Rack. As one of those dads riding around with it (plus Long rear carrier, plus Front child saddle) I can only recommend it. Equipped with a 60x40x32 (or even higher) cm standard plastic crate (a perforated one to not have it filled with rain water and to see the road better when it’s empty) you can just throw in everything (school bags, purchases, etc.) while the kids are climbing around on the firmly standing bike. Even better, you can take the box out for shopping, fill it up in the shopping cart, put it back on the bike (no fiddling around, you don’t even have to fix it as it’s not sliding out) and carry everything home and inside at once. Saves a lot of time. Apart from the extra weight (how much it is btw?) which does not really count for me as we’re not talking about racing bikes, it drives just as perfectly normal as a City Carrier-equipped Fr8. When the kids are grown up you can still strip it down.

  87. Adam Says:

    Hi,
    I’m sorry if this question has been asked before – I’ve searched and can’t find it but it could’ve been…

    I’m very impressed by the FR8 and am thinking about it or a Yuba Mundo, primarily as a child transport bike. My preference is for the FR8, by a long way, not least because it seems as though it’d be more like a regular bike in terms of handling. But I can’t figure out whether it will work for our purposes because of the age of our kids – 4, 2, and 9 months.

    The GMG seats look great but I guess they’re not suitable for under-6s (?), so while the 9-month-old wouldn’t be a problem, on a stem-mounted baby seat, we wouldn’t fit two suitable seats on the back. Or would we? Does anyone have any experience of this with kids of a similar age?

    I’d be really grateful of any opinions, tips, etc,

    all the best,
    adam

  88. henry Says:

    Hi Adam,
    No, you’ve already figured out the problem here: The Fr8 won’t carry two rear seats suitable for your four and two year olds. Experienced four and five year old passengers can safely sit on the GMG 911 seat (and we see this all the time in the NL) but not a two year old. So until the kids are a couple years older the Fr8 won’t be the bike to carry the whole family.

  89. Adam Says:

    Hi Henry
    ah, that’s such a shame. I’ll have to wait for them to grow up a bit! Or perhaps we can convince the 4 year old to cycle on his own bike and carry the other two on a FR8. Thanks for the very speedy reply though. all the best, adam

  90. henry Says:

    Hi Adam,
    We have discussed doing an extender for the Fr8 to make it long enough for two regular child seats but it just hasn’t been a high priority project yet.

    Most families with three young kids here ride bakfietsen.

  91. Adam Says:

    Hi again
    That sounds interesting… I think there’d be a market for it, at least outside of the Netherlands, where bakfietsen are less common (I’m in Norwich, UK), especially if it bridges the gap between yuba (US)-style utility bikes and European family bikes without boxes. We’ve thought about a bakfiets – storage is a bit of a problem, though not insurmountable, but the main obstacle is price! I’ll have another look at them though.
    thank you, again,
    adam

  92. Roger Reijkers Says:

    hallo,

    ik heb nu drie maanden een rode FR* met vrijwel alle opties. ik ben super tevreden over deze fiets.
    vraag me alleen af of er een dapater is voor een Lepper zadel.

    met vriendelijke groet,

    Roger

  93. henry Says:

    Roger,
    Ik neem aan dat je een Lepper zadel bedoelt met ingebouwde klem, zoals een Primus. Die kan je monteren met een kars zadelpen (31,8mm). Als 300mm lang genoeg is is het makkelijk te krijgen, helaas niet in het zwart. Langer kan ook met een Brompton zadelpen (ook geen zwarte beschikbaar). Wij hebben natuurlijk beide bij Workcycles.

  94. DB Says:

    Hi-
    Can you please tell me the tip to tail length of an FR8 with a City carrier rack as well as as a GMG 911. I want to understand if I am allowed to take it aboard my local commuter rail line. The permitted dimensions aboard these trains are 80″x 48″.
    Thank you

  95. henry Says:

    DB,
    The Fr8 is 190cm (75″) long. A GMG 911 seat in the rear position sticks out to the back a couple cm but we also have other seats for older kids that don’t make the bike longer. Regardless you’ll be well within the limits.

  96. Jake Says:

    Hi,
    Will the Yepp maxi fit on the rear rack or do you need to buy additional fittings? If not the yepp maxi what seat would you recommend?

    My son is 2.5 years old and weighs 18kg.

    Thanks,
    jake

  97. henry Says:

    Jake,
    To use the Yepp Maxi you’ll either need the seat tube mounted model or the “Easy Fit” adaptor, but please don’t do either. The Yepp is just not a good fit on the Fr8 nor do we like it much in general anyway. Because the child sits very high and far back, and the Yepp isn’t firmly connected to the bike the handling suffers greatly. It’s a nice looking and nicely made seat that’s actually quite lousy in use.

    The Qibbel is a perfect fit on the rear of either Fr8 or Gr8 and simply our favorite rear seat as well. All of the Bobike seats also fit perfectly. The simple Bobike Maxi is light and minimalist. The newer City and Tour models ain’t pretty but they are actually excellent seats.

    We have a Child Seat Fitting Guide here:
    http://www.workcycles.com/images/stories/WorkCyclesChildSeatFittingGuide.pdf

  98. Jake Says:

    Great advice, thanks Henry!

    Quick question about the Qibble and Bobike Maxi if you dont mind. Are they both easy to remove when not being used? At the end of the day i will take the bike up in an elevator so the seat being easy to remove will influence my decision.

    I couldn’t find this info while searching on the sales sites.

    Cheers,
    Jake

  99. henry Says:

    Jake, Yes both Qibbel and Bobike Maxi can be removed though I wouldn’t really want to do it every day. It’s not difficult but it’s just one more little obstacle to getting out and you’ve enough obstacles already with little kids. The Bobike Maxi City is probably the easiest to remove/install if needed, but can’t you just leave the bike outside?

  100. Jake Says:

    Thanks Henry, I have considered leaving the bike on the street but we’re in the centre of Barcelona and I’m just not confident that the bike would still be there in the morning or if it is there that it hasn’t been vandalised.

    I’ve been looking at the bikes left out at night and not seen any decent ones so mine would stand out massively!

  101. Anonymous Says:

    Hi Henry,

    So my FR8 arrived on Tuesday and the assembly instructions were very easy to follow.

    The bike is amazing and has so far exceeded my expectations. I haven’t got many miles done yet as i need to get the Bobike Maxi seat which im picking up tomorrow.

    Its been affectionately nicknamed ‘the tank’ its in matt grey so has that military look about it which i wanted.

    I have one more question which i couldn’t find an answer to above. What is the load capacity on the city rack and the rear rack?

    Cheers,
    Jake

  102. henry Says:

    Hi Jake,
    Great to hear you’re happy with your bike. We don’t really have a readily quantifiable load capacity for the carriers. Just use your common sense. The rear carrier is strong enough for an adult passenger or two kids but the EU legal limit is 25kg. The City front carrier seems to be strong enough for anything short of an adult jumping on it though I’d put its realistic limit somewhere around 25-30kg.

  103. Gavin Says:

    Hi Henry,

    I am about to purchase a fr8 with a front rack as that suits my needs at the moment, I expect at some point in the future I will have children and I will need the long rear rack.

    Can you let me know if it is possible for me to add the the long rear rack to my fr8 at some point in the future? Are there any disadvantages to this?

    Thanks, Gavin

  104. henry Says:

    Gavin,
    Adding a rear or front carrier later is no problem at all. The only disadvantage is that it’ll eventually cost €25 more and you’ll have an extra “bumper” to sell.

  105. Gavin Says:

    Thanks for the quick response, it is good to know that I can keep my options open.

    I am hoping to commute 7 miles each way along flat ground, do you think the fr8 is suitable for that distance or should I be considering a lighter bike like the secret service?

    Cheers, Gavin

  106. Roger Reijkers Says:

    sometimes i make distance of 80 km in a day. it´s a perfect bike.

  107. Gavin Says:

    That’s good to know. I haven’t cycled since in 10 years but I am hoping to get to the stage where I can cycle 7 miles in 35 minutes with out breaking a sweat. I will have to wait until I have my fr8 before I know it that is possible or not.

  108. John Elliott Says:

    Henry, what is the intended procedure for changing the rear tire with the Escape Hatch?

  109. henry Says:

    John,
    1. Remove all bolts that hold Escape Hatch in place.
    2. If bike has rear hand brake either disconnect cable or pull brake unit from hub.
    3. Change tire and inflate.
    4. Reassemble and tighten escape hatch and carrier/bumper bolts.
    5. Adjust axle tug to align wheel in frame. You can usually do this with your fingers.
    6. Tighten axle nut.
    7. Tighten brake reaction arm bolt.

  110. Gerald Ash Says:

    Hello Henry.
    I Weigh about 230kgs. Would a fr8 really be suitable for me as a everyday bike?

  111. henry Says:

    Gerald,
    We’ve built Fr8’s for riders up to about 180kg without any problems. We choose the strongest standard options and then upgrade some parts and it works just fine. Similarly we have hundreds of customers riding Fr8’s with a comparable total weight aboard: big dad, two kids, backpacks, groceries etc. The main difference is that the loads on the saddle and pedals are lower. For the rest of the bike it makes little difference. In any case there isn’t any bike stronger or more appropriate for really big riders and we enjoy the challenge of getting everybody on a bike, no matter what shape they are.

    I’m also guessing that unless you’re extraordinarily tall and muscular you probably won’t remain at 230kg for very long if you’re cycling every day.

  112. May Says:

    Hi Henry

    I wish to make an enquiry about your FR/GR bikes.

    I have two kids . one 4.5 yrs , another 20 months. I am 1.65 m in height. What type of bike would you advise (the fr8 or gr8 ) is comfortable to ride and suitable for my needs. What type of seats would you advise for my kids? I would like that they could use for a long time , I don’t want to be changing too soon.

    Additionally interested in what type of waterproofing you have .. (canopies etc.)…

    Would appreciate your feedback …

    Many Thanks in advance
    May

  113. henry Says:

    May,
    You’ll find your answers about Fr8 vs. Gr8 here:
    http://www.bakfiets-en-meer.nl/workcycles-faqs-overviews/workcycles-fr8-vs-gr8-whats-the-difference/

    In a nutshell you can better choose the Fr8.

    Seating for 4.5yo and 20mo:
    – Qibbel rear seat, both can sit in it until they’re at least 6 or 7
    – Bobike or Yepp Mini in front, or if you really don’t want to change it in 18 months…
    – Fr8 child saddle front. Most kids can ride here from about 2.5

    There are no canopies or the likes for this type of bike. You could fit a windscreen in front but you won’t want it in the warmer months.

  114. Melissa Says:

    Your child seat fitting guide doesn’t mention the Yepp Junior. I was wondering whether the Yepp Junior will mount directly into the Fr8 rack or whether it’s necessary to use the Easy Fit adapter to fit the Yepp Junior? The Fr8 isn’t on the GMG list of bikes with an Easy Fit window, but since the GMG911 directly mounts, I was thinking it might be possible with the Junior as well. I have the GMG911 and the mounting blocks a lot of the rail area on the rack and makes it difficult to mount my Ortlieb panniers so that they have adequate support (they end up hanging off the back and bending into the wheel when I put any appreciable weight into them). The Yepp Junior looks like it wouldn’t block the rail in the same way.

  115. henry Says:

    Melissa,
    The easy answer is just to not use the Yepp Junior because it’s a terribly designed seat. Putting one on any WorkCycles bike would require the so-called Easy Fit adaptor and then between the several centimeter tall adaptor and the much too tall Yepp seat your child will tower above you making the bike very hard to handle.

    Qibbel makes a much better seat of this type called the 6+. We sell them. Just don’t use their awful footrests. Instead we bolt Bobike model 1118 footrests directly to the integrated mounts in the the Fr8 frame or rear carrier.

  116. Rob Says:

    Hi Henry

    I am looking into various cargo bikes and am impressed with the FR8 as we have 2 children a 3 and 5 year old. We want to use the bike for the school run, the boys both have their own pedal bikes but some of the route is too unsafe for them to cycle and at the end of the school day it is mostly uphill so they can’t really get up on their own. We need something where when necessary we can put them on the bike and attach both of their bikes. Is it possible to fit their bikes on as well as them? Or do you recommend any specific attachments to attach their bikes to. They are small bieks 14″ and 16″ wheels.

  117. henry Says:

    Rob,
    When we go bike touring with the kids I sometimes just strap the front wheel of my son’s bike to my rear carrier so it can roll along behind. You can see it here:
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/henryinamsterdam/9556149571/in/set-72157617863534655

    I considered making an attachment specifically to do this but we don’t do it often enough to bother and it works fine with a couple straps. The Fr8 rear carrier with deep side frames is ideal for this.

    Now P1 is six and can rides without problem at our moderate city/touring pace. When he gets tired I just help him along with my right hand.

    You could also consider the Follow Me Tandem. It’s an attachment to pull a kid’s bike along behind an adult bike, with the kid on the bike. I’ve no experience with it but others like them a lot:
    http://www.followme-tandem.com

  118. Tobias Says:

    Hi Rob,

    I use a FR8 with 2 kids the same age as yours, and sometimes strap one of their bikes either on the box in the front carrier or on the child seat in the back. However these are not ideal solutions and only work for one bike. You can use a more solid solution as Henry suggests, but those seem to work also only for one bike. Of cause you can somehow fix one to the front, the other one strapped to the rear carrier, but your ride will become very heavy and awkward. I sometimes struggle on smaller hills with the 2 kids plus stuff in the box, so depending on the details of your ride you will need to consider seriously how comfortable you will still be able to cycle.

  119. Rob Says:

    Hi Henry and Tobias

    That is really useful feedback, thank you. I have lots to consider.

  120. Melissa Says:

    The Follow Me is great for that situation. I have a 4 and 6 year old with a 12″ bike and 20″ bike, respectively. They ride on their own and when they get tired, I hook the 20″ bike up to the Follow Me, strap the 12″ bike flat on my back rack and put my 4-year old in the Bobike Mini. While I have a Fr8, I use the Follow Me on my 8-speed mixte bike. There’s no way I would want to haul both of them plus their bikes up a hill on the Fr8. The mixte set up is about 50 lbs lighter. You don’t mention where you’re located, but if you’re in Europe, I’d suggest checking out a child saddle on frame tube seat for your 3-year old: http://en.hollandbikeshop.com/bicycle-seat/children-s-saddle-on-frame-tube/

  121. henry Says:

    Of course the Fr8 has it’s own child saddle in front setup so you don’t need to hack your bike up with an aftermarket kit like the one above.

  122. Melissa Says:

    Will the Qibbel junior mount in tandem with a GMG 911 or are two GMG 911s still the only way to do two seats on the back of the Fr8?

  123. henry Says:

    Melissa,
    The old GMG 911 and T30 are still the only complete child seats that can be doubled up on the Fr8 (2x 911 or 911+T30). The 911 and T30 are both out of production but were so popular here in the Netherlands that they can be purchased for practically nothing second hand. Search our local online auction site http://www.marktplaats.nl for “GMG zitje”, “GMG zitje oud”, “GMG 911″, “GMG 910″, “GMG T30″…

    For kids six and up we have our own double seater setup now. It’s very simply a long cushion, two sets of sturdy folding footrests and a backrest.

  124. Bas Says:

    Hi Henry,
    I have a question about the city front carrier.
    If you look at the pictures on this page, I see 3 options in the way it is mounted and shaped:
    1) Flat metal, bolted to the frame (Blue rack on the picture in the top right)

    2) Round metal, bolted to the frame (Orange rack in the picture in the tekst)

    3) Rount metal, looks like it slips into 2 round receivers on the frame (picture of the crossframe with the white tires.

    Can you explain the differences?

    Thanks,
    Bas

  125. henry Says:

    Bas,
    The City carrier with the sheet metal mounting construction is the current version. It is stronger, lighter and handier than the older version which no longer make.

  126. henry Says:

    …and the version that fits into a stainless bracket on the frame is even older. That one is also no longer made.

  127. Bas Says:

    Henry:
    Thanks for the quick reply!
    So the prettiest one is the current version. That makes me happy.
    Will come to the store soon for a testride.

  128. Vic Says:

    1. Is it possible to use a mid-drive or front hub motor with the Fr8 cross frame and either a CVT or IGH? (I’m thinking of the 8Fun or Bafrang 250W (or 350W -USA)

    Ideally I would add the long rear carrier and Clarijs cargo panniers.

    2. Do you have or is it possible to construct a flight deck for the rear carrier?

    3. What about skirts or spoke covers, foot pegs, and stoker bars?

    Thank you

  129. henry Says:

    Vic,
    1. Yes, we build Fr8’s with front hub motors and are also testing mid-motors for the future. The 8Fun/Bafang (same thing) will fit but not with the chaincase. The Sunstar will probably also fit but we haven’t tried it yet. The Nuvinci CVT is the recommended hub in combination with a mid-motor but the Shimano Nexus 8sp Premium will work too.

    2. What is a “flight deck”?

    3. We have all those things except “stoker bars”. Stoker bars? The Fr8 is not a tandem.

    Just send a note from the Fr8 page on the WorkCycles website for the options/price sheet.

  130. victor Says:

    Henry,
    Thank you for your quick reply and information. I’ll send a note from the Fr8 page for price and options as you recommended.

    Flight deck is a wood or plastic board that attaches to the top of the rear rack for passengers or cargo to sit and ride upon on long-tail and some mid-tail cargo bicycles.

    Stoker bars are smaller handle bars that attach to the drivers seat post and used by children to hold onto – as if they were on a tandem but of course they are not pedaling – very common in the U.S. on family cargo bicycles.

    In general, I’m looking for a bicycle that I can transport two older kids a moderate distance with a fairly steep uphill (thus the electric assist), then commute mostly downhill 9 miles to work with uphills back at the end of a long day (electric assist), then; run local errands, weekend recreation and short tours.

    Oh yeah, has to withstand, rain, snow, humidity, potholes, and more. In short, tough, practical, affordable.

    Thanks

  131. Silke Says:

    Hi Henry!

    Is it possible to leave the front child saddle in place while using the Yepp mini?
    What do you think about the Qibbel frontseat?

    Many thanks in advance,
    Silke

  132. henry Says:

    Silke,
    Yes, no problem to leave the front saddle on the bike while riding with a smaller child in a front seat. There’s at least a few centimeters space between them.

    The Qibbel front seat is good but it doesn’t fit on a bike with a frame-fixed front carrier. That’s why we don’t mention it anywhere.

    The original Bobike Mini remains the best all-around front seat. The Yepp has nice materials but it doesn’t fit well with a front carrier because the footrests are two wide and far forward.

  133. Jenny Says:

    Hello,

    I have a few questions:
    1. Can disc brakes can be installed? If not what is the best combination for wet, mud, sand, hills, and hauling groceries?
    2. Can I get the heavy duty chain and the nearly flat proof tires that are on the fr8 industrial installed on the fr8 city?
    3. Will the fr8 fit on the bike racks that are on the front of city buses? I know that the bike is heavy, but I will occasionally need to ride the bus the bike the rest of the way.
    4. Once I place my order, approx. how long will production take?

  134. henry Says:

    Jenny,
    1. Disk brakes are not available on the Fr8, Gr8 or Kr8 but the very powerful and low maintenance Magura hydraulic rim brakes are an option.

    2. Sure, no problem and they only cost a little more. However there’s a reason we don’t fit these tires standard to the city spec bikes: They’re much heavier and don’t ride nearly as well as the normal Schwalbe Big Apples which are already quite puncture resistant.

    3. Fr8 owners have posted info in the @WorkCycles Facebook Group about their bikes fitting on the bus racks in various cities. If I recall correctly it fit on at least the Chicago buses. I’ve never seen bike racks on buses in Europe so we don’t have any direct experience here.

    4. Lead time is normally about six weeks, depending on the number of special features in the order. However (2014) it’s been super busy this year and we’re averaging more like 8-9 weeks with some bikes taking considerably longer. Please don’t order your bike at the last minute.

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