Overview: Workcycles Fr8 Transport Bikes
Fr8 Series Bicycles Overview
18 June 2010
Introduction
The Workcycles Fr8 (pronounced “Freight”) is a modular range of heavy-duty transport bicycles based around two versatile and super-sturdy frames. Unlike most so-called “transport” bikes the Fr8 is a genuine, hard-core workhorse. Everything about the Workcycles Fr8, including the geometry, generous clearances, fittings and materials has been developed to create the toughest, most stable and convenient bicycle possible. It happens to ride beautifully too, regardless of what you pile on.
Like all Workcycles’ bikes the Fr8 is hand-built in the Netherlands. This enables us to use the special parts and finishes required for such heavy-duty bicycles, maintain a very high level of quality and provides enormous flexibility to build the Fr8 to suit each customer’s needs. By choosing from various componentry variants, front and rear carriers, boxes and other options each Fr8 can be configured for a remarkable range of applications. Thus all of the Fr8 models referred to on the WorkCycles website are essentially variations of the same bicycle; Almost all of the parts are compatible with each other so you can even build unique combinations such as a family bike with the delivery style Massive Rack front carrier or a stripped-down Fr8 Cross-frame as a city bike for a huge rider.
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Family transport
The Fr8 can carry one or two children on the rear carrier and one either in a child seat or kiddy saddle behind the handlebar. There’ll still be plenty of room for mom’s or dad’s knees and groceries on the front carrier. Carrying two or even three kids without a bakfiets has never been so easy.
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Industrial internal transport
The Fr8 industrial variants are as bombproof, low maintenance and safe as a bicycle can be. The “Massive Rack” front carrier with stable and smooth working integrated parking stand can carry at least 150kg.
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Delivery service
Boxes of up to 95 liters can be fitted to the “Massive Rack” front carrier, and the extended rear carrier can take even the biggest delivery panniers along. Special carriers can also be built to integrate the existing bins and cases of parcel and delivery services. Even with huge loads the Fr8 handles predictably and safely.
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Urban utility
The Fr8 combines the utility, durability and honesty of the old Dutch and Danish transport bikes with modern technique. Its an ideal vehicle for the baker, deli, photographer, handyman…
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Heavy cyclists
The Fr8 is strong enough for the heaviest riders. The fat tires, low instep and spacious frame geometry make it extremely comfortable. The Fr8 even looks good under “people of large stature”.
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Tall cyclists
Thanks to the special, universal ergonomics the Fr8 Cross frame fits riders from 170cm to about 215cm (5’7” to 7’) regardless of what they weigh. For most really tall individuals their initial ride on the Fr8 is the first time they’ve ever sat comfortably on a bicycle.
Workcycles Fr8 Features
The Fr8 is not just one or a collection of bikes; It’s a modular system of parts that can almost universally be interchanged and combined. That means you can carry kids on your Fr8 delivery bike, use the bike for multiple purposes or swap carriers to repurpose your Fr8 when your needs change.
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Universal ergonomics
The sitting position is comfortably upright. Both Fr8 frame types feature a proprietary (and protected) non-radial seat-tube geometry called the “Adaptive Seat Tube”. The handlebar reach and seat tube angle actually vary accordingly with the height of the saddle, following the ergonomic norms of the population. To state it simply: A woman of 160cm feels as comfortable on the Fr8 as a man of 200cm. The Fr8 Universal frame reliably fits riders from about 155cm to 200cm and the Cross frame fits from about 170cm to well, we haven’t yet met a guy too big.
This makes the Fr8 an ideal bicycle to share; for a rental company, within a chemical plant, or within a family. The Fr8 is also a bicycle a teenager will never outgrow (or destroy).
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TIG welded chromium molybdnum steel frames
Very large diameter, 4130 chrome-moly tubing makes the Fr8 frame stiffer and stronger and more corrosion resistant than frames from other manufacturers. The front fork is also chrome-moly steel with oversized steering tube and blades.
Frames are coated first inside and out with a special zinc-based anti-rust primer and then covered with a tough and environmentally friendly powder-coat. Each frame is guaranteed for 10 years.
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Integrated fittings
Mounting carriers and accessories to the Fr8 is easy because of the necessary fittings are built into the frame: front and rear carriers, steering stabilizer, storage box, child seats and footrests. Accessories developed in the future will use the same fittings as well. Naturally all fittings for control cables, brake reaction arms and lighting are also integrated into the frame and fork.
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Frame-mounted carriers
The Fr8 front carriers are solidly affixed to the frame meaning that they don’t turn with the handlebars and front wheel. The frame geometry is also specifically developed for use with its carriers, enabling the Fr8 to handle easily and safely even with very heavy loads.
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The “Escape Hatch”
On other bicycles changing rear tires and inner tubes is a time consuming job requiring an experienced mechanic. The Fr8’s proprietary Escape Hatch enables the rear tire to be changed quickly, without touching the sealed drivetrain.
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Heavy-duty 26” wheels
Fr8 City variants have wheels with strong, box-section, aluminium rims, 36 2,3mm stainless spokes and smooth riding and durable balloon tires 54 or 60mm wide with Kevlar anti-puncture layers.
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Stainless parts & hardware
The handlebar, stem, brake/gear cables, spokes, carrier brackets and almost all of the nuts, bolts and washers are made of stainless steel so they won’t rust even when stored outdoors for years.
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Sealed hub gears & brakes
Fr8 City variants have fully sealed 3 or 8 speed Shimano Nexus hub gears with a rear coaster (backpedal) brake or roller (hand) brake. They offer foolproof shifting even while stopped, require almost no maintenance and are out of harm’s way. Industrial variants keep it simple with a single-speed Shimano coaster brake. All road-going models are equipped with Shimano front roller brakes (a low maintenance type of drum brake) unaffected by weather. For those who dislike coaster brakes a rear hand brake is optional.
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Chain-case & mudguards
The sealed chain-case means no dirty trousers and almost no chain maintenance. The mudguards are stainless steel and powder-coated steel to take a beating and never rust. There is no need to wear special clothes to ride the Fr8.
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Hub dynamo powered lights
Fr8 City bicycles are equipped with bright, reliable and silent running lighting systems that require no batteries and almost no maintenance. The front hub dynamo (generator) is protected from harm and runs without noticeable drag or sound. The headlamp has a powerful LED with a clean beam pattern. The tail-lamps have LEDs with a 100,000 hour life-span and energy storage circuitry to remain on for a few minutes while stopped. Double wiring is routed though the fork, frame and rear mudguard where it’s invisible and out of harm’s way.
Fr8 Frame Types
There are two Fr8 frame styles available. Both are strong enough for the roughest use and have the same special geometry that makes the Fr8 ride so well under so many conditions. All Fr8 carriers and parts fit either frame with the exception of the advertising board that only fits the Universal frame.
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Fr8 Universal frame
As its name suggests this is the ideal frame for most general use. The Universal has a fairly low instep for convenience but is as suitable for men as for women. It adjusts to properly fit riders from about 155cm to 200cm (5’3” to 6’6”), more than 95% of the adult population in Europe and North America. With a longer seat post (such as from a Brompton folding bike) it’ll even fit taller riders.
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Fr8 Cross frame
The Fr8 Cross is a men’s style frame that fits riders from about 170cm to about 215cm (5’7” to 7’). The crossed top-tubes enable the same stand-over height as a 58cm frame while the saddle and handlebars can be adjusted to the equivalent of frame sizes more than 75cm tall.
Fr8 Componentry Variants
These are the basic build packages available. As their descriptions imply the “City” models are intended for general use on public roads, while Industry models are generally used in factories, around plants and other closed terrains. Adapting the Fr8 to suit your requirements and regulations is also possible. Please inquire.
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Fr8 City NR3D & NN3D
The Fr8 City 3sp is equipped for for the rigors of daily, outdoor use: Great lighting with hub dynamo, 3-speed gearing, top quality and nothing you don’t need. You’ll mostly use the direct-drive second gear, but the 33% reduction first gear can be very handy on a heavily loaded bike. The 33% overdrive third gear is for the occasional tailwind or downhill grade. The only difference between the two versions is rear coaster brake (backpedal) on the NR3D and rear rollerbrake (hand operated) on the NN3D
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Fr8 NR8D & NN8D
The City 8sp is essentially the same as the 3sp above, except with a Shimano 8-speed hub and more powerful Shimano IM81 rollerbrakes. The 8sp hub offers a much wider range of gears for hillier areas, though the spacing between gears is smaller as well. You’ll shift more in normal use. The only difference between the two versions is rear coaster brake (backpedal) on the NR8D and rear rollerbrake (hand operated) on the NN8D
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Fr8 Industry-Netherlands
The Fr8 for internal transport, stripped of all but the essentials and as heavy-duty as possible: extraordinarily strong wheels, a single-speed coaster brake, no cables or lights and nearly flat-proof tires.
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Fr8 Industry-International
This is the same as above, except that it adds a Shimano front roller brake and basic dynamo lighting system to make it street-legal in most European countries. Though the Industry is acceptable for road use the City models are nicer riding and better equipped all-around city bikes.
Chassis Options
Outfit the basic Fr8 bicycle for your needs:
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Brooks Leather Saddles
Brooks leather saddles are beautiful, durable and gradually form to their owner’s anatomy. They’ll last many years if cared for, but a leather saddle can be permanently stretched out by being ridden wet too much. B67 is the standard size, while the “S” designates the “slightly shorter” or ladies’ versions. Honey (sometimes), Brown (standard) or Black.
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Anti-theft cable
In some cities a saddle with a quick-release will get stolen, so we can fit a small cable from the frame to the saddle. It’s discrete and allows room for adjustment.
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Handlebar bend
The standard Fr8 handlebar is called the “Moon” bend and most riders prefer it for its leverage, comfortable wrist position and clearance around child seats. We also offer (for the same price) the square bend “Transport” handlebar. The Transport bar is more traditional looking and pulls further back toward the rider, providing a very upright position.
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Special Colors
For an extra charge the Fr8 can be powder-coated in your choice of one or two colors. Either all of the painted parts can be coated in one color, or the frame and front fork can be one color with the mudguards and carriers in a second color.
We also periodically have a batch of frames and parts painted in a color we think is nice. For lack or a better description we call these “Seasonal Colors” and charge only half as much as the custom color option. Just ask what the current seasonal colors are.
And if that wasn’t difficult enough we also keep a stock of carriers, child saddle frames and even some fenders in many fun colors so you can mix and match. We normally just charge a half hour labor fee to swap out the carriers for another color.
Note that we are limited to colors from the “RAL Classic” range (about 200 options). Most corporate graphics are specified from the Pantone system so it’s your responsibility to choose the best match in the RAL system. This is something we are not qualified or equipped to do.
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Advertising board
With this addition the Fr8 Universal frame gets a large advertising surface. Note that it effectively converts the frame into a “men’s” type frame, though one with a quite low instep. Tough steel construction. Workcycles can also put your graphics on the board for an additional cost.
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Laser cut nameplate
We can even weld custom nameplates into the Fr8 frame. This is handy to identify fleet bikes but also fun to personalize your own bike.
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Custom build-up
Special versions of the Fr8 can be built for fleet use such as for rentals or postal delivery. Please contact us to discuss the possibilities.
Carriers & Parking Stands
Probably never before has so much attention been focused on producing such strong, versatile, good riding cargo carriers for a bicycle… and conversely on designing a bicycle to carry such large loads. All Fr8 load carriers are very securely bolted into the frame where they have little effect on steering.
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Massive Rack
The “mother ship” of front carriers, the Massive Rack is a huge carrier strong enough for any load you dare pedal. A rock-stable and smooth working parking stand folds up behind the front wheel. The carrier surface fits Euro-norm 60 x 40cm boxes and bins perfectly. The Massive Rack was designed for industry and delivery but its also handy and fun for daily transportation if you don’t mind attracting some attention. Carry a couple friends to the pub.
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City carrier
This frame-mounted, medium-sized, front carrier is strong and extremely handy. It’s ideal for city use, for example in combination with child seats. It’s also perfect for business use when the loads don’t warrant the Massive Rack. Typically a crate, box or basket is mounted on the City carrier and because it is affixed to the frame the load has no influence on the bike’s handling or parking stability.
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Center stand
Fr8 bikes not equipped with the Massive Rack need a parking stand. We use the excellent Hebie 2-legged stand.
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Long rear carrier
The Fr8 rear carrier is long and versatile. While most rear carriers seem to be installed just to fulfill the expectation that a bike has one, the Fr8 carrier is a carefully engineered basis for either delivery or child transport.
The carrier is long and stiff enough to ride stably with big newspaper delivery panniers.
Pannier support frames keep heavily loaded bags away from the rear wheel.
Bobike Maxi or Junior child seats can be easily installed onto an integrated mounting point.
Fit one of two GMG 911 seats for kids 5+ yrs. old. Footrest mounts are also built into the carrier. The carrier protects the rear mudguard and tail-lamp from damage.
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No rear carrier needed?
No problem. An Fr8 with front carrier often doesn’t need a rear carrier. In this case the rear mudguard and taillamp/reflector will be mounted on an extremely sturdy tubular “bumper”. The bumper does triple duty, also protecting the taillamp and mudguard, and serving as a handle as well.
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Special carriers?
The front and rear carriers can be adapted to fit the existing bins, bags and cases of postal delivery services. This is naturally only economical in fleet-sized quantities. Please contact us to discuss the possibilities.
Boxes, Bins & Bags
Below are some popular examples of bags, baskets, bins, boxes, cases and crates that can be combined with the Fr8 carriers to move your goods around.
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Closed, aluminium box
This lightweight, weather-sealed box with a locking lid fits nicely on the Massive Rack. It is 60 x 40 x 33cm tall, making it great for deliveries, carrying tools or just doing the groceries.
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Closed, wicker box
The classic wicker box with hinged lid is just as handy as its charming. 60 x 40 x 40cm tall.
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Euronorm box
These indestructible 60 x 40cm plastic industrial boxes fit perfectly into the Massive Rack. We have them 22cm or 33cm tall in light gray, red, blue and (recycled) dark gray. A simple hinged lid is available.
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Workcycles “OT” crate
A tough, black plastic box that fits the Pickup rack perfectly. It’s 50 x 30 x 20cm tall.
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Milk crate
The perforated Dutch milk crate is a favorite in Amsterdam. Indestructible black plastic. It’s 43 x 35 x 27cm tall.
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Clarijs cargo panniers
Simple, functional and waterproof panniers hand made by our friends in Zeeland in a dazzling array of color combinations. European truck tarp material (“Bisonyl”). 46 liters big.
Highly customizable including many colors and combinations, rings for locks, cutouts for child seats, hand-cut flowers, insert shopper bags, printed business graphics… Please inquire about current stock.
Fr8 Child Transport Options
The Fr8 makes an ideal child transport bike. The long frame has plenty of room for both parents and child seats. The Fr8’s extreme stiffness, transport-bike geometry and fat tires translate into amazingly stable, safe cycling even when loaded with squirming kids and groceries. The low cranks and shallow seat angle bring you close to the ground for easy mounts and dismounts. All of the accessories needed to carry various combinations of kids have been designed to bolt on securely and without fuss.
Smaller children from about 9 months old to about 15kg can ride in a front seat which is nicer for both child and parent. Rear seats are used for kids from 9 months to about 9 years old or 35kg. Front and rear seats can be used together.
Child transport is too extensive and important a topic to cover in detail here but below is a quick overview of the options. Contact us to discuss your specific needs.
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Front child saddle
This saddle with foldable footrests mounted behind the handlebar is a minimalist and fun way to carry a child mature enough to hold on securely. You can easily talk with your child and they feel like they’re really riding. Kids really love riding here. The simple frame bolts securely to the front carrier mounts on the down-tube of the Fr8. It fits both the Universal and Cross frames and can be used in combination with a front carrier.
How old must a child be to ride on this saddle? Well, that depends on the child and the situation. In the Netherlands many two year olds ride on the saddle but that’s in very safe cycling conditions and with kids who’ve grown up on bikes. A four year old in normally absolutely secure sitting here. We’ll let you use your judgement.
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Bobike Mini
The Mini is beginning to look a little old fashioned compared to the newer, slicker Yepp Mini but it’s still an excellent seat with several advantages. The biggest plus of the Bobike is that the footrests are tucked in nicely so it works better in combination with a front crate than the more voluminoous Yepp. Mounting is simple. The Mini fits all Fr8 variants except in combination with the Massive Rack. There are various accessories such as the windscreen to keep baby (and parent) warm and dry, and a little handlebar/sleeping pad. Additional mounting blocks are also available to use the Mini on other bikes as well.
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Yepp Mini
The Yepp seats are made of that skinned foam stuff that Crocs made so popular and it’s ideal for a child seat because it’s soft and absorbs no water. The Yepp also incorporates nice features such as a secure five point harness and quickly adjustable footrests. Like the Bobike Mini there’s a windscreen available and the Yepp also comes in several colors.
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Qibbel Achterzitje
This fairly new seat is our favorite for younger kids on the Fr8 and Gr8. It fits perfectly with a minimum of hardware, is adjustable in angle and is generally just a nicely designed and made seat. The pads, by some miracle of textile engineering, don’t absorb water. Foot protectors are built in so the Fr8 footguards aren’t necessary with this seat.
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Bobike Maxi
The Maxi is a rear seat suitable for kids from 9 months to about 22kg and it affixes directly to the loop on the Fr8 rear carrier. Again, its available in various colors, in a version with a taller headrest and also a version with a rain cover. Foot-guards must be fitted (see below).
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Bobike Junior
The Junior is for kids from about 6 years old up to about 32kg. A nice feature is that it folds up so that you can use the top surface as a carrier. Foot-guards must be fitted (see below).
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GMG 911
The GMG 911 is a minimalist rear seat for kids from about 6 years old up to about 35kg. It’s basically just a pad, a backrest and footrests. Either one or two of these seats can be clipped directly into the Fr8 rear carrier. Foot-guards MUST be fitted as well.
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Workcycles Super-Duper Foot-guards
Essentially the same idea as jacket or dress guards fitted to the mudguard on either side of the rear wheel, these offer more coverage, more secure mounting and are much tougher. The guards are unobtrusive in tough grey plastic.
Notes, Terms and Conditions
Prices and specifications are subject to change without notice.
To order or for more information please contact us. You are also welcome to visit either of our shops. Both locations are open Mon – Sat 9.00 to 18.00.
Workcycles Zeeburg
Veemarkt 150A
1019 DE Amsterdam
tel: +31 (0)20 689 7879
fax: +31 (0)20 689 2261
WorkCycles Jordaan
Lijnbaansgracht 32B-Hs
1015 GP Amsterdam
tel: +31 (0)20 522 6000
fax: +31 (0)20 522 6009
e: info@workcycles.com
Copyright 2009-2013 WorkCycles B.V.
June 23rd, 2009 at 00:02
FR8 Transport Bike in Vinex Suburbia
Dear Henry,
One of the best memories of my childhood is riding with my father on his big black bicycle. In absence of a proper childseat, sitting on the frame in front of him. I wish my father could have seen me riding the FR8 Transport Bike with 3 kids.
This bike is excellent. Robust, but not clumsy. Special, but not complicated. Prestigious, but not flashy. Even with 3 kids the ride is steady and still there is plenty of room for schoolbags, groceries, balls etc.
This time not recorded in Amsterdam but in “Vinex Suburbia” in The Hague I have included a short movie of a ride to the park on a sunny April day.
Best regards,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjWKLozSa5c
June 23rd, 2009 at 06:59
Ben,
Thank you very much for the praise of the Fr8. Of course after so much thought and development we’re very proud of it but it’s great to have that confirmed by our customers.
I’d love to watch the video but it’s unfortunately protected: listed as “private”. Can you change that?
Thanks,
Henry
July 14th, 2009 at 20:23
Henry,
The link is public now.
Regards,
Ben
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjWKLozSa5c
March 31st, 2010 at 19:46
Overall the bike is excellent, mine is in use since 8 months. However there are some weak points. The bike-standard broke in normal use within 6 months. Not all the washers are rust-free, resulting in very ugly stains. And the bike-chain is not rust-free and should have been. The ball-bearing on the left side of the pedals is uncovered and thus very rusty.
A few silly mistakes on an otherwise excellent bike.
April 3rd, 2010 at 05:48
Jeroen, what is a bike-standard?
April 3rd, 2010 at 08:28
Todd, I believe Jeroen is referring to the center stand, which is “standaard” in Dutch.
May 31st, 2010 at 14:14
Jeroen,
Thanks for your feedback. Below a few answers about the points you note:
- Though the Hebie was by far the best parking stand available until a couple months ago we’ve seen a couple broken examples, mostly after adults sat on the bike while parked. In any case there is finally a better stand on the market and we’ll shortly switch to these. The new stand is wider, more stable, lighter and smoother working.
- The little rust spots around the bolts are very difficult to avoid because galvanized (verzinkte) washers will rust but stainless washers will react with the zinc coated frames. We’re damned either way!
- The chain doesn’t need to be rust free because it’s inside a closed chain case – just oil it well every half year or so. In some extreme conditions it might be better to oil it more often.
- There shouldn’t be any exposed ball-bearings. Perhaps the cover is missing?
June 22nd, 2010 at 18:44
please let me know how I can purchase your products in Princeton New Jersey
June 22nd, 2010 at 20:31
Have a look at the dealers page on the WorkCycles site. Adeline Adeline in Manhattan is the closest dealer to NJ:
http://www.workcycles.com/dealers
September 6th, 2010 at 10:10
Hello,
I am in London (UK). Could you tell me where I might buy one of these bikes and some accessories, such as child seats? Also, I would like to see the price list for all of the accessories. Does such a thing exist?
September 6th, 2010 at 15:12
Hi, I am looking for a bike to carry my twin daughters (6 months) as soon as they can sit by themselves. During the first 3 years I will be able to carry my kids on the “fr8″ using one child seat at the handle bar and one at the rear.
The question is: Will I be able to use two child seats at the rear of the bike as soon as the kids have grown out of the i.e. bobike mini, which they will be able to use until the age of 3 or is the rear not long enough to fit child carriers other than the GMG 911?
As the GMG 911 can only be used from the age of 6 onwards, I would need a solution to bridge the gap between 3 and 6.
Thanks & regards
September 6th, 2010 at 16:03
Brendan,
Twins are invariably a tricky situation on these bikes. To answer your questions:
1. Yes, the first three years are no problem at all.
2. On the rear carrier you can also fit one GMG T30 (for kids 9 months to 6 years) and one GMG 911. This might not be described above yet.
3. GMG says, for liabiility reasons, that the 911 seat is for kids of at least 6 years old. In reality lots of parents put younger kids on them… not toddlers of course, but perhaps mature 4 1/2 and 5 year olds.
4. If a child still fits and isn’t too heavy he/she can continue riding in the front seat past 3 years old. The latest seats such as the GMG Yepp Mini and Bobike City Mini allow for longer legs.
5. Many kids can safely sit on our child saddle at a fairly young age. A couple local parents are carrying 2 year olds on them though I think that’s really too young. Most kids should be fine here by three or four. They just have to understand that their feet must remain on the footrests and that they have to hold on.
So, in a nutshell it’s rather dependent on the particular kids and on the situation. Clearly less support is needed for carrying kids short distances around a relatively safe Dutch city than (less cycling familiar) kids in less cozy traffic elsewhere. My gut feeling is that after a couple years experience you’d figure out a way to make it work during that in between period… even if it might mean bending some rules.
September 21st, 2010 at 06:01
Dear Henry
you mention for the front saddle the minimum age 4, and that some people have much younger children on.
What is about the maximum age, or probably easier to tell: height and weight for the front saddle.
Thanks
September 21st, 2010 at 06:16
Michael,
The maximum size/age for the front saddle is only a function of comfort. A child can sit there for as long as his legs aren’t too cramped and mom can still see over his head. By eight or so most kds will prefer sitting at the rear.
October 9th, 2010 at 11:27
Hi Can you price each of the following
FR8 City GT3
Long Rear Carrier
Front Child Seat
GGG911 SEAT
1 X foot guards
optional spray colour
How long would it take for this to be made ready for collection in Amsterdam please?
Many thanks
Nicholas
November 5th, 2010 at 16:14
I would like to know how I can buy the wicker basket as shown in the picture.
November 8th, 2010 at 21:28
Is the Seat Tube Box available yet (Nov/10)? Cost?
Rob
November 9th, 2010 at 17:19
Rocco, You can contact Workcycles to purchase the wicker baskets.
Rob, We’ve been saying “soon” for the Seat Tube Box availability for a couple years… but now it really will be soon. We think it’ll cost about €30-40.
November 13th, 2010 at 01:30
“Soon” is a relative term like “not far”. Can you quantify that? Dec, March, June?
Rob
Ottawa
PS Loving the FR8.
November 13th, 2010 at 09:12
Rob,
I’m specifically being vague to avoid raising expectations and then disappointing people. The Seat Tube Box is one piece of a larger development project including our own, more compact chain case and a lighter, stronger, aluminium crankset with a 38T chainring. I expect, but do not promise, that they’ll be complete sometime during the winter.
December 15th, 2010 at 17:13
here is another nice part for your nice bicycles:
http://www.chainrunner.de/index_en.html
December 29th, 2010 at 23:40
@uwe
I would say it still doesn’t prevent your trousers from going inbetween the chainring and the chain… Otherwise very imaginative, if a bit pointless…
December 30th, 2010 at 00:42
…nor does it really protect the chain from water and dirt.
I’ve actually never really understood the objection to complete chaincases. Modern variants provide great chain (and trouser) protection, weigh almost nothing and have a hatch at the back for lubricating and tensioning the chain. Completely disassembling it for a major service requires removing only four screws.
December 30th, 2010 at 02:51
Regarding chaincases and such…. if I may speak for the Germans, the complete chaincase is not sporty enough, it says “grandpa’s bike” and so on. So what do they do? Make the Chainrunner and that other thing which covers the chain in a plastic sheath. These achieve part of what the full case does, especially in the minds of lesser (less aware= cycling culture. To their credit, based on how Workcycles bikes are equipped, mid-tech things such as lights and locks are “Made in Germany” and good. (Note also that the Dutch don’t really try to make cars anymore.) Beyond this there are Retrovelo bikes (very expensive) and Rohloff hubs (expensive and complicated), then also Ortlieb bags, and below there is Diamant (made in Leipzig) which makes bikes at least with looks that stand out against other German brands.
February 24th, 2011 at 04:48
I’m yet another Fr8 rider looking forward to that seat tube box… although I’m also contemplating a small basket or bucket affixed to the rear side of the front rack; it wouldn’t get in the way of my legs or any cargo the rack either.
March 19th, 2011 at 09:02
Where can I purchase these bikes in the United States?
March 19th, 2011 at 09:26
@Steve: http://www.workcycles.com/dealers
April 6th, 2011 at 23:21
Can I Buy a fr8 in Valencia, Spain?
Thanks
April 12th, 2011 at 11:33
Javier,
I’ve also answered your question by email: Workcycles has no dealer in Spain but we do ship bikes all over the world. As of April 2011 packing and shipping to Spain will cost €200 including VAT, somewhat more if the Fr8 is equipped with a Massive rack and/or child seats. You can contact us at info@workcycles.com for more info.
May 28th, 2011 at 14:08
Hola Javier:
yo igual también compraba una fr8 y compartíamos costes de transporte. ¿Cómo lo ves?
Mi mail es japetrirena@gmail.com
Un saludo
May 30th, 2011 at 20:32
How much weight is the FR8, with long rear carrier?
May 31st, 2011 at 22:40
Javier, The Fr8 can be built in many different configurations. Excluding the heavy Massive Rack it’ll weigh between 22 and 28kg depending on which carriers, child saddle, gears, brake options etc. That’s pretty light for a vehicle that can carry 250kg and live outdoors year round.
June 1st, 2011 at 11:04
I do like your blog, I am starting a project on cargo bike culture:
http://cargobikeculture.blogspot.com.
Cheers
June 1st, 2011 at 15:59
Hi Eva,
Look forward to seeing where your blog goes. Might be nice to credit that photo on your blog… to me at Workcycles
June 4th, 2011 at 16:48
Hi Henry,
You right, I will!! Sorry about that!!! ;-P
July 13th, 2011 at 13:29
Dear Henry,
I am happy to find your fr8-bike. We already bought a Römer Seat for a classic bike frame. Is it possilble to mount them on the seat post of your bike or is the position to inclined?
Best regards
Lutz
July 13th, 2011 at 21:46
Hi Lutz,
We don’t have any experience with the Römer seats but it’ll probably fit fine if you bend the stays to match the angle of the seat tube. They’re probably solid steel or at least very thick walled tubes so it should be almost impossible to damage them.
The other challenge might be that the Römer bracket doesn’t reach far enough to the rear so that the child has your butt in her face. You’ll have to check this out.
Of course if the Römer doesn’t work a perfect fitting Bobike Maxi seat only costs about €85.
August 21st, 2011 at 14:04
Henry:
I purchased a FR8 several months ago and have been riding it lots since then. It is an absolutely terrific bike – very well thought out, very comfortable and just great fun to ride. Thank you for producing an excellent product.
One question: I am interested in the seat tube box. Is is available yet?
Regards,
Matt
August 21st, 2011 at 19:32
Hello Henry,
Thank you for including info on front mounted child seats. I am in the US and they are certainly not as common here. My son is 18 months (small for his age ~ .8 m tall) and I was hoping to get a Bobike mini or Yepp mini. My only concern is that I may not be tall enough to see over him as I am only about 1.6 m tall. In your experience, do you know if one of these seats places the child lower than the other? And if it is too difficult for me to see over and around him, would you recommend the Bobike maxi?
Thank you!
Kindly,
Melanie
November 28th, 2011 at 22:53
Hello Henry,
I ride my mountain bike 15-25 miles every weekend single track, seeking a commuter bike to get me to the office once or twice a week. Round trip is 30 miles. I’ve looked at a lot of bikes. How does this one handle distance? I need durability and carry capacity. Please advise. Thanks. Michael
November 29th, 2011 at 14:07
So as not to embarrass Henry: http://mamafiets.blogspot.com/2011/05/workcycles-fr8-some-first-impressions.html
January 15th, 2012 at 11:40
Hello Henry,
Can you tell me if the rear rack can mount two Bobike Junior seats or does one have to use two GMG911 childseats? Will either solution work for two children (7 and 5 who are 120cm and 126cm tall) – I want to carry them on the school run for at least 2-3 years as I live in a bicycle unfriendly city too dangerous for children to ride on the roads.
January 15th, 2012 at 21:41
John,
No, only one Bobike seat will fit on the rear of the Fr8. Two GMG 911′s will fit and we also now make a kit consisting of a thick cushion, a backrest and two sets of foldable footrests that will also carry two kids of about six and up.
April 1st, 2012 at 08:00
The Fr8 is a remarkable bike, Henry. It’s elegant, extraordinarily functional, rock-solid, a sweet ride.
I just bought one the other day.
Unfortunately, I think there’s a serious problem: The Shimano roller brake system is not safe or adequate at gross weights anywhere near those you advertise for the bike.
I was concerned that this might be a problem when I went to My Dutch Bike to purchase the machine. I’ve been off the bike for nearly three years because of health problems, but I’ve ridden several bikes with Shimano rear roller brakes over the past decade and they were generally wimpy and unimpressive, to say the least. I sure wouldn’t have put any of them on the front wheel of a seriously loaded bike with a heavy rider, unless it was to be ridden only uphill.
I couldn’t find model numbers for the front hub and brake anywhere online, so I made a mental note to ask when I got to the shop. What actually happened was that I told Josh, with open skepticism about the configuration, that in my experience the roller brakes weren’t beefy enough for heavily-loaded bikes. He assured me that the system on the Fr8 was more than adequate and told me that “. . . there are different levels of these brakes, now” (I think that’s an accurate quote).
It was clear to me that Josh knows these bikes well, and that he is a real lifer cyclist (a guy who would ride across the US on a fixed gear, pulling a trailer, is lost forever) and a talented wrench. Also, I didn’t have the right glasses to read fine print on bike components. And, of course, the “test ride” down the sidewalk and up and down the alley in back of the building, didn’t reveal anything. So I trusted him and bought the bike.
It was a great ride down Market Street to the Ferry Building, a beautiful trip across the bay, and everyone loved the bike. Loved it vocally. I’ll tell you some day — you’ll like the story.
The last random meeting of the day was Gary Fisher’s mother, who also loved the bike. Pretty sweet.
It’s been a rainy, blustery weekend. No fun to ride the new bike, especially without a cover for the slightly stiff new Brooks. But I did get time to put the bike on the stand and do a familiarization and pre-flight inspection. Still more nice things discovered.
But I also discovered that the the brake modulator in the DH-2R35-E hub is rated by Shimano for a maximum gross load of 120 kg/265 lbs (I didn’t even have to pull the PDF of the Shimano fold-out to learn that: when I had the right glasses, I could see that the little yellow warning sticker on the hub — the one I assumed was the “Don’t Shock Yourself” warning — clearly specifies the range limits.
And, of course, when I looked up the BR-IM45-F, I found that it is built to the same 100 kg maximum gross as the rear brakes I was familiar with. Call it 225 pounds for innumerate Americans and backward/recalcitrant Brits. ;^)
Since we should be conservative in our back-of-envelope applications engineering and use the lower of the two values (unless and until we do a serious analysis), we end up with something like this: If the bike weighs 28 kg (I’ll bet mine does), we subtract 28 from 100 and get 72 kilograms as the maximum brake-manufacturer-approved total weight of rider and cargo. Less than a third of 250.
Having done this quick research, and remembering my previous experience with roller brakes, I don’t think I’ll be in a hurry to load up the Fr8 with my 240-plus pound self, a hundred pounds of groceries and miscellaneous gear, and ride, say, down the hill from the Golden Gate Bridge to Sausalito. If I do get that crazy, I’ll make sure I have cyclist-videographers along for the ride, front and back. There’d be a good chance of getting exciting “action-adventure” footage.
Anyway, as I indicated, this seems like a significant problem to me. I’d like to discuss it with you, and I ‘d prefer to do it here on your blog, where we can benefit from others’ input and others can stay informed. Hello! to Todd and Rick and whomever else I may know here.
Of course, Henry, this brake problem isn’t really nearly as serious traveling at 15 kph into a headwind on the flat. So, if you need an aging, non-Dutch-speaking manager and mechanic for a shop in, maybe, Groningen, we won’t have to fix anything and I’ll work for a visa, cheap wages, and plenty of free time to ride. ;^) Even if you bought me off, though (at such a reasonable price!), I think we’d have to sort out this brake thing for other Fr8 riders.
(Full disclosure: Before offering me work, you should know that my wife has sometimes told me I’m the grumpiest man on the planet.)
I look forward to an interesting conversation.
Best regards.
~Doug
April 3rd, 2012 at 10:15
Hi Doug,
Thanks for the extensive analysis but it really isn’t necessary. We only fit the base model IM45 rollerbrake to 3-speed Fr8′s which are naturally intended for flatter terrain and lighter loads. All 8-speed Fr8′s currently have IM81′s and previously IM70′s, both more than adequate for the job regardless of what Shimano prints on them. We’ve fit the same brakes to thousands of Fr8′s and Cargobikes ridden by customers all over the world. I’ve taken my own Fr8 on holiday and safely ridden around hilly cities with two kids and baggage aboard.
And just because the Fr8 is strong enough to handle a load of a couple hundred kilos doesn’t mean it’s meant to do so under all conditions. Would I recommend loading up the Massive Rack with 100kg of cargo and pointing the bike down a steep San Francisco hill? No, I wouldn’t.
So the only thing that’s a little strange is that your Fr8 has IM45 rollerbrakes instead of the bigger IM70/80/81 brakes we fit to the bikes.
April 3rd, 2012 at 19:11
Hi, Henry.
Thanks for the reply.
I actually thought the analysis (not at all extensive, but that could be done) *was* required. Indeed, the briefest of mental calculations was sufficient to cause me to challenge your sales and advertising practices in my post.
It really doesn’t help much to put the other brakes in the IM series on the bike (if you do that), when you’re using hubs with integrated modulators rated at 120 kg.
Also, I think it’s rash of you to to so readily dismiss “what Shimano prints on them.” No reasonable person, and no engineer, would accept such a cavalier attitude toward safety limitations, without supporting evidence.
It’s pretty simple, really: The Fr8, as equipped, is unsafe for operation with heavy loads, except at slow speeds in flat terrain. If you’re going to sell them to families with children on the mountainous west coast of North America, you need to either equip the bikes to adequately handle the kinds of loads you advertise, or provide bold and inescapable warnings of the weight and operating-conditions limitations.
And you certainly need to properly educate your retailers about the limitations of the bikes, as-shipped, and make certain that they honestly communicate those limitations to potential buyers.
Doing any less is, in my view, reckless endangerment.
Regards.
~Doug
April 4th, 2012 at 10:50
Doug,
There’s nothing at all cavalier about my attitude and I really do not appreciate your unfounded cries of “unsafe or operation” and “reckless endangerment”. We and thousands of customer ride with these brakes in the real world with real loads and real children in real cities and on real hills and they really work just fine. No, they’re not snappy feeling and pavement tearing like hydraulic disks but they do stop the bikes safely… yes, even with the front hub’s power modulator which rarely actually comes into play. There is no need for “bold and inescapable warnings” because within the range of conditions these bikes are obviously intended and designed for there is no problem.
Further Shimano’s roller brakes are the only brakes that meet our demands for minimal maintenance, real-world damage resistance and compatibility with the internal gear hubs and hub dynamos we fit. No rim or disk brakes can safely withstand the rough and tumble life of an outdoor bike. The few available drum brakes (mainly Sturmey Archer) aren’t even a fraction as good as Shimano’s rollerbrakes. Coaster brakes are great for relatively flat terrain but cannot dissipate enough heat for use in hilly areas.
We’re also in close contact with Shimano, have discussed their rollerbrakes extensively with them and have even been entrusted to test preproduction samples. We had a fleet of Cargobikes and Fr8′s equipped with IM80′s long before they hit the market. Shimano is thus well aware of Workcycles application of rollerbrakes on heavy-duty bikes and the latest models such as the IM80 and IM81 incorporate changes that address complaints from Workcycles and others.
Your particular bike, however, does have the wrong brakes for the job but you don’t seem willing to accept that.
April 4th, 2012 at 18:41
Well, thanks for, at least, taking time to respond, Henry.
It’s fairly clear that you and I have widely-different understandings of a bicycle manufacturer’s (or seller’s) ethical responsibilities. Different understandings, too, of safe and adequate bicycle braking.
At a minimum, even if you do nothing else and admit no error in judgment or practice, please do this: Start having Niijland add ISO tabs to the front forks and canti mounts to the seat stays. That would permit customers riding your bikes in terrain radically different from the Low Countries to equip their bikes with adequate braking without extraordinary expense. It would cost you, perhaps, €10.
> Your particular bike, however, does have the wrong brakes for the job
> but you don’t seem willing to accept that.
You’re quite wrong. I’m not a bit concerned about my own bike. I actually knew that I would need to change the brakes before I walked through your dealer’s door. It just happened that the interaction (very pleasant and friendly) with the staff led me to conclude that these bikes are being sold by people who don’t understand their limitations, and are being sold in a market where their limitations are inappropriate.
I think I’m done here, for now. Knowing your position, I’m prepared for discussions with the retailers.
I do want to say that I consider this issue to be the only major (I hope never fatal) flaw in a brilliant design. When I knew I would be able to get back on the bike after some health issues, research on currently-available frames (yours appeared over here as I was sidelined) led me to select the Fr8 over all others, despite knowing I would need to make expensive modifications. It is truly a remarkable bicycle.
Regards.
~Doug
April 11th, 2012 at 08:09
Josh, Doug,
With all due respect I’ve removed your two last comments. I don’t believe they were adding anything to this discussion and I don’t want my blog, especially not the overview page of one of our bike models, to be a war of opinion. What’s been discussed between Doug and myself is plenty enough for a topic that’s already been discussed elsewhere several times. I think it’s clear we’ve settled on the fact that we have to agree to disagree (very, very strongly in this case). I hope that will be the end of this little story.
I will now go back to business as usual, running a company that has, for many good reasons, had a fantastic record of safety and customer satisfaction for almost a decade. Thanks for your understanding.
April 21st, 2012 at 18:30
I have commuted daily on a Trek Soho with Gates belt drive system for 2 years. It has performed well and I appreciate not having to lube and maintain the chain. I see that you have chain cases which look good, but was wondering if you offer Gates belt drive system as an option.
Best regards,
Rob
April 22nd, 2012 at 18:06
Rob,
We’ve looked at and tested the belt drive systems and don’t see it as being relevant for Workcycles bikes in the short term. The reasons have been discussed both in various posts in this blog and on the quite active @Workcycles Facebook Group.
April 26th, 2012 at 13:08
Do I need the Chris King 1 1/8″ threaded Gripnut or 2Nut for the FR8?
April 26th, 2012 at 13:36
Hai Maarten,
Both of those types fit but I recommend the Gripnut since the Fr8 doesn’t need spacers or a cable stop.
April 27th, 2012 at 12:22
Ok thanks. Because the 2Nut specifies 38.5mm for stackhight and the FR8 is 35.5mm… Gripnut specifies 33.9-38.9 mm… But since your call was Gripnut to begin with I’ll go with that. Any news on delivery date for the new FR8? Because I’m Workcycle off since today. And it just doesn’t feel right man.
Thanks!
April 27th, 2012 at 13:20
Maarten, I saw your old Fr8 here today. I don’t know the exact status of the new one. We’re waiting on a bunch of bikes from the factory. Perhaps yours is one of the bikes that’s due to come in next week.
April 27th, 2012 at 14:36
What is the FR8 seat post ø diameter?
April 28th, 2012 at 08:54
31,8mm which is easy to find, but many seat posts can’t adjust properly at the angle of the adaptive seat tube. If you want to put a funky post (colored?) in a Fr8 look for the type with a cylindrical clamp since they can adjust to any angle. Sorry, I don’t know who currently makes those in this size.
May 1st, 2012 at 10:10
Was liking this but the nearest size is 31.6mm:
http://epicbike.bigcartel.com/products
May 1st, 2012 at 10:46
Nope, it’s really gotta be 31,8mm, and that post probably won’t tilt far enough for the Fr8.
May 2nd, 2012 at 22:00
Hi Henry,
I’m visiting Europe and went into your bikeshop to buy replacement kickstands for our bikes. Having stumbled across your great bikes, I want to buy 2 when I get back to Seattle since the retail price is similar to buying from you directly. I want to buy locally what the Seattle store does not import but I did not see the seat tube box in either of your stores or on your web page. I think its a great idea. Does it exist?
I also noticed that there are 3 different sizes of roller brakes. I sometimes like to pull my 3 year old around in a bike wagon. I then, of course, load the back with groceries so I end up pulling 40 kilos behind the bike. Which size roller brakes would you recommend?
Thanks in advance for the help,
Mike
May 3rd, 2012 at 07:42
Hi Mike,
Thanks for pointing out what a lot of people don’t seem to realize: that once all of the costs are added up it costs about the same to buy a bike from us and Amsterdam and fly home with it as it costs to buy from a local dealer… if you’re lucky enough to have a Workcycles dealer nearby. Shipping a bike from Amsterdam to another country is more expensive.
Sometimes somebody wants a bike the dealer doesn’t offer and then we discuss the best we to handle that.
To answer your questions:
1. The seat tube box has been a low priority project for a couple years. Yes, we are working on it but it turned out to be more difficult than we expected to make one that’s easy to use, isn’t a perfect sound amplification box, stays in place and doesn’t cost too much to make. We’ll probably introduce it later this year in combination with the new chaincase. The two fit together perfectly.
B. There are quite a few sizes of roller brakes but we’ve tested and disassembled them all and found that there are actually just two roller brake units with various sizes of heat sink disks on them. We fit the base model IM45 to 3sp bikes and the better IM80 or IM81 to 8sp bikes. Just get the IM80-81 since it’s a much better brake. It’s not important in flat Holland so we save most of our customers €60 here.
May 6th, 2012 at 06:51
Henry, would fitting the DH-2R35-E-H dynamo hub and BR-IM86-F roller brakes be available as an option for the Fr8? In combination, they could provide greater braking assurance for heavier riders who live in hilly places.
(Shimano has documented the 2R35-E-H hub as supporting a gross bicycle + rider + cargo weight of 140 kg [308 lb], and the IM86 brakes as supporting a gross weight of 130 kg [286 lb].)
May 7th, 2012 at 16:40
Christian,
Shimano benelux doesn’t even list the DH-2R35-E-H on their (quite terrible) site but it might be possible to get one. On the other hand it might be an OEM only part (like the IM80 brake is) thus impossible to find unless you order a couple thousand from Singapore and wait nine months. Yes, that’s how Shimano works.
We’ve opened up enough rollerbrakes to figure out that there are actually only two models which then have various cooling disk fitted to make them look different. Internally there are the base models (IM45 & 55) with the flat braking surface and the higher-end models (IM80, IM81, IM86…) with the V-shaped braking surface. The other differences are largely cosmetic.
But as I and a couple other commenters have noted repeatedly there really isn’t a problem to be solved here. I ride a Fr8 with the standard hub dynamo and IM80 roller brakes. Even with two kids and luggage aboard the bike stops solidly down the steepest bridges. I’ve brought the bike on the train to hilly cities and ridden down very steep hills with the kids and it was just fine. Never have I felt the so called “power modulator” braking limiter release. We could hypothesize about riding with much heavier loads in hilly terrain but it’s just not realistic because you won’t be able to pedal it up those hills either.
May 19th, 2012 at 00:01
It looks like Bobike isn’t making the original mini any more, just the “mini+” and “mini city.” Do you offer / recommend either version over the other?
Thanks,
Eric
May 19th, 2012 at 07:14
Eric,
Bobike does actually still make the original MIni but doesn’t show it on their site. We stock them at Workcycles.
May 22nd, 2012 at 20:38
Hello Henry,
I’m very interested in the Fr8, particularly as you offer a plethora of options to customise the ride. As a postman I ride a pashley pronto which is part of the An Post (Irish Post) delivery fleet. It’s a great bike and I’m certainly not going to criticise it (I have 2 pashleys in my own personal collection). However I can’t very well be seen riding it in civilian mode.
I am aware of the quality of your bikes having bought the Azor Kruisframe from you some time ago. Great bike and I might add more than capable of braking safely even with a heavy load down a hill and I should know!
Is it possible to have the front rack enclosed to contain a bag as Pashley have done for An Post? Or with the front rack that comes standard, how do you secure the Workcycles ‘OT’ crate so as to prevent it slipping off?
May 22nd, 2012 at 22:20
Michael, my limited experience with the pick up front rack is that a) anything can be attached to it (though Workcycles sells that stuff with good size matching) with zipties or those u-bolts with nuts and both ends etc and that handling will be seriously and negatively effected long before it gets too heavy to damage anything on the bike.
I also know that the new type of pick up rack is bolted directly to the down tube, whereas the (heavier and weaker?) older model that I have slides into tubes bolted to the downtube. For my own bike I like the older model as I leave the rack and attached large open top box off of the bike unless I am going to do some big shopping. As I have no rear rack now (on purpose) I just use a small backpack if I dont use the rack-box. Better of course would to have either two rack-boxes (with the second a smaller box or no box) and best would be to have a very robust quick release system with one rack and two boxes. I believe the latter is possible using some kind of quick release system.
May 23rd, 2012 at 21:15
Hello Michael,
Yes, we could fabricate and weld a “ring” to one of our front carriers to hold a specific bag or box. We’d need a clear drawing of the dimensions and requirements to provide a quote.
We have two ways of securing boxes and crates to the City front carrier; We generally just drill small holes and double wrap good quality zip-ties through. For more demanding applications we use small, stainless steel clamps.
Todd,
You’re confusing the Pickup carrier designed by Maarten van Andel and sold by Azor with the City carrier I designed of the Fr8. The City has the four bolt holes and only fits Fr8 and Gr8. The Pickup fits many bikes by sliding into the two tubes. If you compare them side to side you can see that they’re actually very different though they look similar from a distance.
July 10th, 2012 at 20:57
Hi,
I am hoping to test ride the Fr8 and Gr8 as soon as they arrive at Adeline Adeline in a month or two! I have been wondering how kids on the rear deck hold on — I’ve seen pictures of them hanging onto mom or dad’s waist but I would not be comfortable with that setup. Is it possible to add a stoker bar like the one on the Yuba or Xtracycle to the seatpost?
Thanks,
Josette
July 10th, 2012 at 22:42
Hi Josette,
Adeline probably already has Fr8′s unless they’re sold out.
Kids can sit on the rear in various ways, most of which are described above. It sounds like you’re referring to older kids in which case there are a few options:
- One can mount one or two proper child seats, one Bobike Junior or one or two GMG 911′s
- We also have a long pad with backrest and footrests
No rear child seat has a means for a child to hang on with their hands, nor is that needed. We assume one is just cycling for transportation on such a bike, not jumping, bouncing over rough trails or other activities that would require security beyond the child(ren) simply sitting, having feet on the pegs and maybe holding on by their sides,
Come to think of if this is also how passengers ride on motorcycles, involving far greater g-forces and danger than a Fr8 passenger will ever experience.
July 10th, 2012 at 22:53
Adeline ran out of Fr8s! I was there this past weekend and they had sold out. Thanks for answering my question. I had not thought of the motorcycle comparison. Having tried a Yuba and an Xtracycle (but not an Fr8 or Gr8 yet), I was trying to compare them and their child-carrying options. When I had my six-yr-old on the rear deck of the Xtra, it wasn’t clear to me where he’d hang on if not for the stoker bars. Even with the bars to hold he was a little scared. I guess he’d have to learn to balance better…Well, I’ll have to see how it feels on the test ride. Thanks again! It’s fantastic to be able to talk directly with the people designing the bike!
August 14th, 2012 at 22:41
Hello Henry,
I’d like to come to Amsterdam for a couple of days this summer or fall and then ride home with a brand new Fr8. Do you think it would be possible to have what would most likely be the best frame size ready (I wouldn’t be able to stay in town for very long, and there would be issues of color, rack options, etc.)? I’m not very experienced when it comes to these matters, so sorry for the initial bonehead question.
I think I recall you writing that the Fr8 would be undergoing some changes in the near future… When do you anticipate this happening?
Thanks,
Hank
August 16th, 2012 at 10:35
Hello Hank,
Thanks. We try to keep as few bikes as possible in stock and our workshops are usually booked up for a week or two… so it’s always best to order bikes a couple months in advance. Of course we do our best to accommodate customers just passing through or who need a bike NOW. Front and rear carriers, child seats and other accessories we normally have a broad inventory of in various colors.
There are only two Fr8 frames which fit almost everybody so sizing is simple. That’s all described extensively in the post above.
There are no noteworthy changes planned for the Fr8. It’s very good as it is. At some point we’ll switch over to a new type of chaincase and crank but that’s it.
August 20th, 2012 at 20:07
Thanks, Henry. I just learned that my local dealer _might_ be able to order a Workcycles bike via the dealer in Berlin (Zweitrad) because both shops are in the VSF group. That might be the best way for me to proceed given that Amsterdam and Berlin are a ways off for me.
Could I also just order straight from you? It seems that having a dealer would make things easier for you when it comes to shipping, and I would have a place to take the bike for inspections, etc. Is this true?
Hank
August 20th, 2012 at 21:45
Hank,
Yes, you can order a bike directly from us in Amsterdam. That is probably simplest. Just send a mail to info@workcycles.com.
January 8th, 2013 at 20:09
Hi,
I really like Fr8 Cross Frame with the massive rack. But i was Sonderling wether it will fit in combination with the Yepp Mini.
Have you tried that?
Christian
January 9th, 2013 at 12:00
Hi Christian,
No, the combination of front child seat and Massive Rack doesn’t work unless you’re very tall and can ride with the handlebar stem very high so that the foot bins clear the Massive Rack’s rear frame. The child saddle does work with the Massive Rack though.
January 12th, 2013 at 19:17
Is de bagagedrager van de fr8 fiets compatibel met het Easyfit systeem van Yepp?
(http://www.yepp.nl/Info/Easyfit-window)
January 18th, 2013 at 16:31
Bart,
De drager zelf heeft de Yepp “Window” niet maar de Easy Fit adaptor past wel. Echter vind ik de Yepp Maxi niet de best passend zitje achterop de Fr8.
De Qibbel zitje past er perfect op en is ook een prima zitje. Dezelfde geldt voor de Bobike Maxi en Maxi City met dragerbevestiging.
January 21st, 2013 at 09:53
Hi Henry, I live in Australia and recently test rode a universal frame Fr8 with the dealer over here who was really helpful. I love everything about the bike, I think it’s superb. I liked the plastic chain case a lot and am curious as to what changes will be made to it.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:56
Scott, the new chaincase is just a little better fit with the new aluminium 38T crank and with the long promised but never delivered seat tube box. Functionally it has little influence on the bike and is certainly not something to bother waiting for.
January 21st, 2013 at 13:01
Cheers Henry, I’ll be ordering one soon. One last question and excuse my ignorance but what’s the seat tube box? I’ve seen it on a few posts but don’t quite grasp the idea.
January 21st, 2013 at 13:11
It’s a box between the rear fender and frame to put a lock or other stuff in.
March 12th, 2013 at 10:40
Hi Henry: I am looking for some decision support for the question of x-frame vs. universal frame on the Fr8. Aesthetically I prefer the x-frame, but for practical reasons (mainly easier step-through when bike loaded with kids), the universal frame would be better. The other main reason for the universal frame would be that my wife could also easier use the bike. Are there any other criteria that I have missed (weight?), and what is your usual recommendation for a relatively tall (190) and heavy (90kg) guy with 2 kids (1.5 and 4)?
Also: any link or information that helps choosing between the massive (front) rack, vs. the city carrier. My understanding: the massive rack is more heavy and clumsy, but allows a larger box to be fitted, plus the added stability (as compared to the normal stand) makes loading kids etc. easier?
March 12th, 2013 at 11:30
Tobias,
I think you’ve already answered your own question about the two frame options. The Crossframe has aesthetic appeal but in all other criteria the Universal frame is more practical for you.
The Massive Rack is just like it sounds: A really big (and heavy) front carrier with built in (super stable) parking stand. It’s great for carrying bulky or heavy loads for short distances. Most of these are used for delivery or in industrial situations. There are some dads and moms riding around with the Massive Rack on their family Fr8 but most people find it just too big and heavy.
April 15th, 2013 at 12:40
Tobias,
my opinion is that if you really want to use the full capacity the Fr8 has to offer, you should go for the Massive Rack. As one of those dads riding around with it (plus Long rear carrier, plus Front child saddle) I can only recommend it. Equipped with a 60x40x32 (or even higher) cm standard plastic crate (a perforated one to not have it filled with rain water and to see the road better when it’s empty) you can just throw in everything (school bags, purchases, etc.) while the kids are climbing around on the firmly standing bike. Even better, you can take the box out for shopping, fill it up in the shopping cart, put it back on the bike (no fiddling around, you don’t even have to fix it as it’s not sliding out) and carry everything home and inside at once. Saves a lot of time. Apart from the extra weight (how much it is btw?) which does not really count for me as we’re not talking about racing bikes, it drives just as perfectly normal as a City Carrier-equipped Fr8. When the kids are grown up you can still strip it down.