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		<title>By: Todd Edelman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Edelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 23:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marketing dept. is in Sweden.

Anyway, this is boring. Hank, how about some new decals/stickers such as \Workcycles: Better for your head than a Volvo\?</description>
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<p>Anyway, this is boring. Hank, how about some new decals/stickers such as \Workcycles: Better for your head than a Volvo\?</p>
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		<title>By: Frits B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frits B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 22:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd: Flying to Sweden has no impact anymore. Their bosses are Chinese now :-).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd: Flying to Sweden has no impact anymore. Their bosses are Chinese now <img src='http://www.bakfiets-en-meer.nl/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Edelman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Edelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 18:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frits:  I flew to Sweden to propose that all Volvos operate at slow speeds at night  and the company used its private anti-aircraft... no, there is nothing convincing about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frits:  I flew to Sweden to propose that all Volvos operate at slow speeds at night  and the company used its private anti-aircraft&#8230; no, there is nothing convincing about this.</p>
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		<title>By: Frits B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frits B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 17:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha, Henk Scholten! Not the one half of the singing duo Teddy &amp; Henk Scholten I suppose; he died in 1983 - no loss to humanity. Anyway, since every regular bicycle in Holland is required to have lights, and cyclists are supposed to use them which is an entirely different story, it might have been more convincing of this Volvo dealer to offer a free change to sensor lights that switch on automatically. Handing out cheap battery lights doesn&#039;t do much good. Volvo cars have automatic lights, dammit, and run day lights, too. Why not follow their own company rules?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha, Henk Scholten! Not the one half of the singing duo Teddy &amp; Henk Scholten I suppose; he died in 1983 &#8211; no loss to humanity. Anyway, since every regular bicycle in Holland is required to have lights, and cyclists are supposed to use them which is an entirely different story, it might have been more convincing of this Volvo dealer to offer a free change to sensor lights that switch on automatically. Handing out cheap battery lights doesn&#8217;t do much good. Volvo cars have automatic lights, dammit, and run day lights, too. Why not follow their own company rules?</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Edelman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Edelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 14:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now another Volvo dealer is giving out free bike lights to children and a spokesperson for the authority which tests cycling skills of kids is liking it: http://www.henkscholten.nl/nieuws/verkeersexamen/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now another Volvo dealer is giving out free bike lights to children and a spokesperson for the authority which tests cycling skills of kids is liking it: <a href="http://www.henkscholten.nl/nieuws/verkeersexamen/" rel="nofollow">http://www.henkscholten.nl/nieuws/verkeersexamen/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Todd Edelman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Edelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Mar 2011 04:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Josh, you actually expressed that in a clear way, or at least it is good intro or teaser to this way of thinking. There is a lot more about it at http://cyclehelmets.org/ and its related discussion group &quot;cyclehelmets&quot; on Yahoo! Groups.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Josh, you actually expressed that in a clear way, or at least it is good intro or teaser to this way of thinking. There is a lot more about it at <a href="http://cyclehelmets.org/" rel="nofollow">http://cyclehelmets.org/</a> and its related discussion group &#8220;cyclehelmets&#8221; on Yahoo! Groups.</p>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Mar 2011 03:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have not read all of the previous comments so please excuse any obvious repetition or ignorance, but I have come to accept something that I cannot completely verbally describe regarding the act of wearing a helmet: The Brain and/or Spine has an innate ability to subconsciously react when life-death situations arise. The brain becomes accustomed to its own weight and size over time. When you put on a helmet, you add weight and size above the spine. Since most people who wear a helmet spend more time without one, the brain/spine is not acclimated to the additional weigh and size of its synthetic &quot;head&quot;. Therefore, a crash will almost always result in a blow to the helmet, leading to the inaccurate assumption that the helmet took a blow that the head otherwise would have taken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have not read all of the previous comments so please excuse any obvious repetition or ignorance, but I have come to accept something that I cannot completely verbally describe regarding the act of wearing a helmet: The Brain and/or Spine has an innate ability to subconsciously react when life-death situations arise. The brain becomes accustomed to its own weight and size over time. When you put on a helmet, you add weight and size above the spine. Since most people who wear a helmet spend more time without one, the brain/spine is not acclimated to the additional weigh and size of its synthetic &#8220;head&#8221;. Therefore, a crash will almost always result in a blow to the helmet, leading to the inaccurate assumption that the helmet took a blow that the head otherwise would have taken.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Clarke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin Clarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Mar 2011 18:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Helmet warnings should be provided

The trading standards should include warnings at the point of sale and in advertisements or promotional material for helmets.

1 There is evidence of increased accident risk of 14% per cycling-km for cyclists wearing a helmet. (Erke and Elvik 2007)

2. Helmets are designed to protect the head from low impact injury at 12 mph or less. In fatal accidents the force of impact is considered to be so significant that generally most protection would fail.

3 Accidental hanging to young children can occur while engaging in activities other than bicycle riding, helmets should be removed when not cycling.

4 Neck injuries (usually low in number) may increase by an estimated 36%.
(The 36% figure is from Attewell report CR 195)

5 Helmets can easily break due to being made of low strength material.

6 The case for helmets is far from sound and advice to wear them should be limited. Individual choice should prevail so that no one is discouraged from cycling.

for more information see, Health and safety assessment of state bicycle helmet laws in the USA. http://www.ctcyorkshirehumber.org.uk/USA_helmet_laws.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helmet warnings should be provided</p>
<p>The trading standards should include warnings at the point of sale and in advertisements or promotional material for helmets.</p>
<p>1 There is evidence of increased accident risk of 14% per cycling-km for cyclists wearing a helmet. (Erke and Elvik 2007)</p>
<p>2. Helmets are designed to protect the head from low impact injury at 12 mph or less. In fatal accidents the force of impact is considered to be so significant that generally most protection would fail.</p>
<p>3 Accidental hanging to young children can occur while engaging in activities other than bicycle riding, helmets should be removed when not cycling.</p>
<p>4 Neck injuries (usually low in number) may increase by an estimated 36%.<br />
(The 36% figure is from Attewell report CR 195)</p>
<p>5 Helmets can easily break due to being made of low strength material.</p>
<p>6 The case for helmets is far from sound and advice to wear them should be limited. Individual choice should prevail so that no one is discouraged from cycling.</p>
<p>for more information see, Health and safety assessment of state bicycle helmet laws in the USA. <a href="http://www.ctcyorkshirehumber.org.uk/USA_helmet_laws.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ctcyorkshirehumber.org.uk/USA_helmet_laws.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Mar 2011 15:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My newer Giro helmet has more labels (they&#039;ve added French) than the older one, and the language has changed a bit. They&#039;ve also cut down on words. I can&#039;t read the whole old label (it&#039;s in bad shape), but the safety part says this: &quot;This helmet is not for motor vehicle use. No helmet can protect the wearer against all foreseeable impacts.&quot; The safety part on the newer label says this: &quot;No helmet can prevent all injuries or death.&quot; They both caution the user to read the manual.

I&#039;ve heard that U.S. DOT standards are more stringent than Snell or the U.S. CPSC standards, but I don&#039;t know whether that&#039;s true. My first helmet from the early 1980s was heavier and &quot;beefier&quot; than current ones. I read somewhere that they were safer, but I don&#039;t know that that&#039;s true either.

I emailed Nutcase awhile back about where they sourced their web page&#039;s safety stats. It turns out to be http://www.helmets.org

I haven&#039;t done a full survey of all manufacturer&#039;s websites, but the handful of sites I looked at usually promote &quot;massive vents&quot; and &quot;airflow,&quot; with almost no claim on protection. If I were in the helmet-making business, I&#039;d probably do the same. Making any claims beyond meeting applicable standards is an invitation to a lawsuit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My newer Giro helmet has more labels (they&#8217;ve added French) than the older one, and the language has changed a bit. They&#8217;ve also cut down on words. I can&#8217;t read the whole old label (it&#8217;s in bad shape), but the safety part says this: &#8220;This helmet is not for motor vehicle use. No helmet can protect the wearer against all foreseeable impacts.&#8221; The safety part on the newer label says this: &#8220;No helmet can prevent all injuries or death.&#8221; They both caution the user to read the manual.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard that U.S. DOT standards are more stringent than Snell or the U.S. CPSC standards, but I don&#8217;t know whether that&#8217;s true. My first helmet from the early 1980s was heavier and &#8220;beefier&#8221; than current ones. I read somewhere that they were safer, but I don&#8217;t know that that&#8217;s true either.</p>
<p>I emailed Nutcase awhile back about where they sourced their web page&#8217;s safety stats. It turns out to be <a href="http://www.helmets.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.helmets.org</a></p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t done a full survey of all manufacturer&#8217;s websites, but the handful of sites I looked at usually promote &#8220;massive vents&#8221; and &#8220;airflow,&#8221; with almost no claim on protection. If I were in the helmet-making business, I&#8217;d probably do the same. Making any claims beyond meeting applicable standards is an invitation to a lawsuit.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Edelman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Edelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Mar 2011 08:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Labeling as you describe is something mandated by the relevant consumer or safety authority. From years ago with a helmet bought in the USA I remember at least two labels on the inside: One said something about meeting SNELL standards and the other more general &quot;This helmet does not protect against all foreseeable impacts&quot;... and perhaps one  more: &quot;This helmet not intended for motor sport use&quot;.

I am at a loss as I don&#039;t know if the labels have changed, but I doubt the main gist of them has, so let&#039;s look at the 2nd and 3rd labels above:

The first about foreseeable impacts is accurate but vague. The second is similar but more specific and tells people not to use them with mopeds, scooters, motorcycles and those small all-terrain vehicles (and this is illegal if not enforced in most places).

Marketing and advertising - what people see before they buy a helmet or switch brands - might be more difficult to deal with, but still has to be truthful or at least not specifically misleading. One sees a label only after they buy a helmet.

It seems to be quite justified to have more accurate labels inside the helmet indicating how and how not a helmet is tested, and also in the manual etc. which comes inside the helmet packaging. It might be good beforehand to determine not just if people know that helmets are not tested but also what they do or do not know. Clearly a new proposed regulation which mandates mentioning of the word &quot;automobile&quot; would get attacked. And excessive &quot;lawyering&quot; of this issue could lead to the definition of helmets as inadequate protection on shared roads under current conditions of e.g. too high speeds. Perhaps that would a good outcome, as we want safer roads to be primarily the responsibility of drivers at an individual level (rather than cyclists), and government bodies at a collective one (rather than the helmet industry, which cannot really protect cyclists as much as they imply.) 

In fact if they are more honest about helmets it could result - if you follow my logic above - in safer streets and a huge increase in cycling which means that smart companies will sell, for example, more locks! And perhaps fewer helmets. ABUS (just an example) is prepared for this, as they sell helmets AND locks.

But really I would be pleased to just start a discussion and hopefully some research.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Labeling as you describe is something mandated by the relevant consumer or safety authority. From years ago with a helmet bought in the USA I remember at least two labels on the inside: One said something about meeting SNELL standards and the other more general &#8220;This helmet does not protect against all foreseeable impacts&#8221;&#8230; and perhaps one  more: &#8220;This helmet not intended for motor sport use&#8221;.</p>
<p>I am at a loss as I don&#8217;t know if the labels have changed, but I doubt the main gist of them has, so let&#8217;s look at the 2nd and 3rd labels above:</p>
<p>The first about foreseeable impacts is accurate but vague. The second is similar but more specific and tells people not to use them with mopeds, scooters, motorcycles and those small all-terrain vehicles (and this is illegal if not enforced in most places).</p>
<p>Marketing and advertising &#8211; what people see before they buy a helmet or switch brands &#8211; might be more difficult to deal with, but still has to be truthful or at least not specifically misleading. One sees a label only after they buy a helmet.</p>
<p>It seems to be quite justified to have more accurate labels inside the helmet indicating how and how not a helmet is tested, and also in the manual etc. which comes inside the helmet packaging. It might be good beforehand to determine not just if people know that helmets are not tested but also what they do or do not know. Clearly a new proposed regulation which mandates mentioning of the word &#8220;automobile&#8221; would get attacked. And excessive &#8220;lawyering&#8221; of this issue could lead to the definition of helmets as inadequate protection on shared roads under current conditions of e.g. too high speeds. Perhaps that would a good outcome, as we want safer roads to be primarily the responsibility of drivers at an individual level (rather than cyclists), and government bodies at a collective one (rather than the helmet industry, which cannot really protect cyclists as much as they imply.) </p>
<p>In fact if they are more honest about helmets it could result &#8211; if you follow my logic above &#8211; in safer streets and a huge increase in cycling which means that smart companies will sell, for example, more locks! And perhaps fewer helmets. ABUS (just an example) is prepared for this, as they sell helmets AND locks.</p>
<p>But really I would be pleased to just start a discussion and hopefully some research.</p>
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