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	<title>Comments on: Unclear on the Concept: Cargobike Style</title>
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		<title>By: Tim Eustis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Eustis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t get it? How did they not get the irony of the juxtaposition of a large, multiple-person carrying bike being carried by a large, multiple-person carrying behemoth? And to contrast that with the unimog? Brilliant. 

See below for further juxtapositions: the ultimate in digital output being funneled through old school analog tubes. How is this not supercool?

MC4 Music Cocoon
http://www.rothaudio.co.uk/

Anyway, we americans sometimes lack, umm, what is the word for which I so intently seek, ah, that&#039;s it: brains.

I enjoyed blog. But man, I really wanted the FR8 in red. that woulda been cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t get it? How did they not get the irony of the juxtaposition of a large, multiple-person carrying bike being carried by a large, multiple-person carrying behemoth? And to contrast that with the unimog? Brilliant. </p>
<p>See below for further juxtapositions: the ultimate in digital output being funneled through old school analog tubes. How is this not supercool?</p>
<p>MC4 Music Cocoon<br />
<a href="http://www.rothaudio.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">http://www.rothaudio.co.uk/</a></p>
<p>Anyway, we americans sometimes lack, umm, what is the word for which I so intently seek, ah, that&#8217;s it: brains.</p>
<p>I enjoyed blog. But man, I really wanted the FR8 in red. that woulda been cool.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Edelman</title>
		<link>http://www.bakfiets-en-meer.nl/2009/07/30/unclear-on-the-concept-cargobike-style/comment-page-1/#comment-2861</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd Edelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OH, the url about Amsterdam requiring emission-free boats is here: http://www.mindsinmotion.net/index.php/mimv34/themes/hydrogen_for_mobility/featured/fuel_cell_boat_amsterdam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OH, the url about Amsterdam requiring emission-free boats is here: <a href="http://www.mindsinmotion.net/index.php/mimv34/themes/hydrogen_for_mobility/featured/fuel_cell_boat_amsterdam" rel="nofollow">http://www.mindsinmotion.net/index.php/mimv34/themes/hydrogen_for_mobility/featured/fuel_cell_boat_amsterdam</a></p>
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		<title>By: BlackDawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>BlackDawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 06:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd: that&#039;s why you should always pop a wheelie with the extra long, if the kids inside are anything like me at that age, they will love it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd: that&#8217;s why you should always pop a wheelie with the extra long, if the kids inside are anything like me at that age, they will love it!</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Edelman</title>
		<link>http://www.bakfiets-en-meer.nl/2009/07/30/unclear-on-the-concept-cargobike-style/comment-page-1/#comment-2841</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd Edelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 03:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BlackDawn: I was actually one of the first to test the &quot;Extra Long&quot; and the main problem was that the underside would scrape the paving stones, i.e. &quot;bottom out&quot;, on older small bridges over the canals.

We tried various solutions such as using larger wheels but while this necessitated the modification of the frame and required a short ladder for wee ones to get into the box it also gave the bike SUV-like centre-of-gravity effects.

We aborted the experiment after the Dutch office of Calvinistisch-georiënteerde mobiliteitsoplossingen failed to issue a homologation certificate for the vehicle.

This was a couple of years back and I think as part of his therapy Henry needed to do the bakfiets on SUV thing. As a New Yorker he would not admit this, so while you should not bring it up I DO know that he welcomes queries about the bakfiets Extra Long, because with enough support he should be able to appeal the ruling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BlackDawn: I was actually one of the first to test the &#8220;Extra Long&#8221; and the main problem was that the underside would scrape the paving stones, i.e. &#8220;bottom out&#8221;, on older small bridges over the canals.</p>
<p>We tried various solutions such as using larger wheels but while this necessitated the modification of the frame and required a short ladder for wee ones to get into the box it also gave the bike SUV-like centre-of-gravity effects.</p>
<p>We aborted the experiment after the Dutch office of Calvinistisch-georiënteerde mobiliteitsoplossingen failed to issue a homologation certificate for the vehicle.</p>
<p>This was a couple of years back and I think as part of his therapy Henry needed to do the bakfiets on SUV thing. As a New Yorker he would not admit this, so while you should not bring it up I DO know that he welcomes queries about the bakfiets Extra Long, because with enough support he should be able to appeal the ruling.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Edelman</title>
		<link>http://www.bakfiets-en-meer.nl/2009/07/30/unclear-on-the-concept-cargobike-style/comment-page-1/#comment-2831</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd Edelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 03:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way new boats in Amsterdam - or at least ones used commercially (e.g. delivering bakfiets) have to be emissions-free (tailpipe) though lots of electricity is generated by burning coal.

See  .... okay it seems to be only tourist boats that need to be &quot;clean&quot;, but I needed to make a joke about ironic delivery of bakfiets. But also hydrogen-facilitated propulsion starts with burning coal or gas, etc. (Also be careful you world-saving freaks,  the Minds in Motion people are too interested in private cars for my taste).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way new boats in Amsterdam &#8211; or at least ones used commercially (e.g. delivering bakfiets) have to be emissions-free (tailpipe) though lots of electricity is generated by burning coal.</p>
<p>See  &#8230;. okay it seems to be only tourist boats that need to be &#8220;clean&#8221;, but I needed to make a joke about ironic delivery of bakfiets. But also hydrogen-facilitated propulsion starts with burning coal or gas, etc. (Also be careful you world-saving freaks,  the Minds in Motion people are too interested in private cars for my taste).</p>
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		<title>By: BlackDawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>BlackDawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:-)
Right products wrong order, I was fantasying the other day of doing a wheelie with the extra long :-)

I&#039;m sorry for the late reply, didn&#039;t see the angry replays until you trackbacked to it, I don&#039;t agree with them, but I also don&#039;t agree with Blaise.

I think you ended this  thread in the best possible manner, and I hope mama &amp; the other&#039;s are no longer offended, as it&#039;s pretty obvious that wasn&#039;t your intent.

Shahar - Israel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://www.bakfiets-en-meer.nl/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Right products wrong order, I was fantasying the other day of doing a wheelie with the extra long <img src='http://www.bakfiets-en-meer.nl/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry for the late reply, didn&#8217;t see the angry replays until you trackbacked to it, I don&#8217;t agree with them, but I also don&#8217;t agree with Blaise.</p>
<p>I think you ended this  thread in the best possible manner, and I hope mama &amp; the other&#8217;s are no longer offended, as it&#8217;s pretty obvious that wasn&#8217;t your intent.</p>
<p>Shahar &#8211; Israel.</p>
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		<title>By: henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 12:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shahar, Blaise,
So where were you guys when I needed your support a month ago? ;-)

I can take a couple guesses at your favorite WorkCycles product...
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.workcycles.com/workbike/bicycles/bakfiets.nl/bakfiets.nl-cargobike-extra-long.html&quot;&quot;target=_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;WorkCycles Cargobike Extra Long&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.workcycles.com/workbike/bicycles/accessories/antitheft-spray.html&quot;&quot;target=_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;WorkCycles High Tech Antitheft Spray&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shahar, Blaise,<br />
So where were you guys when I needed your support a month ago? <img src='http://www.bakfiets-en-meer.nl/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I can take a couple guesses at your favorite WorkCycles product&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.workcycles.com/workbike/bicycles/bakfiets.nl/bakfiets.nl-cargobike-extra-long.html""target=_blank" rel="nofollow">WorkCycles Cargobike Extra Long</a><br />
<a href="http://www.workcycles.com/workbike/bicycles/accessories/antitheft-spray.html""target=_blank" rel="nofollow">WorkCycles High Tech Antitheft Spray</a></p>
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		<title>By: Shahar Schwartz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shahar Schwartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 12:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Henry I came to read this blog after finding the best product on WorkCycles website,
I&#039;ll let you guess that product yourself ;-)

With that said, please remember that most of your readers love your sense of humor, 
I hope this little post  won&#039;t change the nature of your comments.

Shahar - Israel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Henry I came to read this blog after finding the best product on WorkCycles website,<br />
I&#8217;ll let you guess that product yourself <img src='http://www.bakfiets-en-meer.nl/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>With that said, please remember that most of your readers love your sense of humor,<br />
I hope this little post  won&#8217;t change the nature of your comments.</p>
<p>Shahar &#8211; Israel.</p>
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		<title>By: henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,
Few Amsterdammers &quot;condemn&quot; cars or motor vehicles in general, nor do they concern themselves with idealistic concepts such as &quot;saving the plant&quot;. It&#039;s just not really in the nature of the Dutch to think and speak in such righteous, essentialist terms.

Fact is that driving a car in a Dutch city is simply impractical and expensive, while cycling, walking and taking public transport are generally better options. Motoring around the canals in an old boat on a warm summer evening is a pleasure many Amsterdammers guiltlessly enjoy indulging in. That those occasional boat rides are further insignificant from a resource perspective isn&#039;t even a concern.

Also I did not &quot;attack&quot; the bakfiets on Suburban owner. I merely poked fun at the irony of the photo in the broader social sense. There&#039;s a huge difference between the two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,<br />
Few Amsterdammers &#8220;condemn&#8221; cars or motor vehicles in general, nor do they concern themselves with idealistic concepts such as &#8220;saving the plant&#8221;. It&#8217;s just not really in the nature of the Dutch to think and speak in such righteous, essentialist terms.</p>
<p>Fact is that driving a car in a Dutch city is simply impractical and expensive, while cycling, walking and taking public transport are generally better options. Motoring around the canals in an old boat on a warm summer evening is a pleasure many Amsterdammers guiltlessly enjoy indulging in. That those occasional boat rides are further insignificant from a resource perspective isn&#8217;t even a concern.</p>
<p>Also I did not &#8220;attack&#8221; the bakfiets on Suburban owner. I merely poked fun at the irony of the photo in the broader social sense. There&#8217;s a huge difference between the two.</p>
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		<title>By: henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Blaise,
I appreciate your support but I do also have to consider that I run a growing company and though my blog is personal, it&#039;s also connected to the company I run. Obviously I meant no harm and it&#039;s a pity the jokes didn&#039;t work as intended. But... whether intentional or not it&#039;s simply not good business practice to treat your customers with disrespect. Thus what I wrote in my apology was honest, however annoying it is that others don&#039;t share my sense of humor.

Actually I think I grew up with this sense of irony in New York and it&#039;s only been reinforced by my life in Europe. I also lived in California for ten years (just before moving to the NL) and that was pure hell from a humor perspective. For me it was just one social misstep after another amongst people who seemed righteous and humorless to me, while I certainly seemed like a cynical, critical, asshole to them. I was constantly accused of being a &quot;pessimist&quot; there, while I countered that I was one of the few optimists because I felt things could always be improved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Blaise,<br />
I appreciate your support but I do also have to consider that I run a growing company and though my blog is personal, it&#8217;s also connected to the company I run. Obviously I meant no harm and it&#8217;s a pity the jokes didn&#8217;t work as intended. But&#8230; whether intentional or not it&#8217;s simply not good business practice to treat your customers with disrespect. Thus what I wrote in my apology was honest, however annoying it is that others don&#8217;t share my sense of humor.</p>
<p>Actually I think I grew up with this sense of irony in New York and it&#8217;s only been reinforced by my life in Europe. I also lived in California for ten years (just before moving to the NL) and that was pure hell from a humor perspective. For me it was just one social misstep after another amongst people who seemed righteous and humorless to me, while I certainly seemed like a cynical, critical, asshole to them. I was constantly accused of being a &#8220;pessimist&#8221; there, while I countered that I was one of the few optimists because I felt things could always be improved.</p>
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