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	<title>Comments on: Amsterdam: More Trips by Bike than by Car</title>
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		<title>By: Melanie</title>
		<link>http://www.bakfiets-en-meer.nl/2009/06/23/amsterdam-more-trips-by-bike-than-by-car/comment-page-1/#comment-2167</link>
		<dc:creator>Melanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The US has a long way to go before we have more people riding than driving, but to that end, we have recently launched a new site in the US dedicated to utility cycling and thought you might be interested - www.utilitycycling.org.  Please feel free to contact us if you would like to guest post or become involved in some way.  Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US has a long way to go before we have more people riding than driving, but to that end, we have recently launched a new site in the US dedicated to utility cycling and thought you might be interested &#8211; <a href="http://www.utilitycycling.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.utilitycycling.org</a>.  Please feel free to contact us if you would like to guest post or become involved in some way.  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Edelman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Edelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 20:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The You Tube link is correct: I was alluding to the modifications your company makes to bikes from various suppliers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The You Tube link is correct: I was alluding to the modifications your company makes to bikes from various suppliers.</p>
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		<title>By: henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd,
Simple. Dozens of manufacturers are making e-bikes, most with proprietary and not very robust electronic parts that are constantly being updated. All of those parts: motor, controller, battery, battery management, control panel, connectors etc have to be compatible with each other. The batteries have a short lifespan and other parts will fail in time as well. 

A larger firm such as Gazelle will probably stock spare parts for perhaps ten years but often at absurd prices. The smaller operations will often not stock any old parts at all, if they even survive to be called in a few years.

In a nutshell an e-bike is much more complicated than a standard bike, will therefore require more repairs. But those repairs will be often be uneconomical or virtually impossible. So what&#039;ll happen to the bikes: Some will be ridden with the batteries removed and the motor as dead weight. Some will get converted to non-e bikes. Some will actually get repaired. But in general the actual lifespan of e-bikes will probably prove to be an order of magnitude shorter than standard bikes.

Your link goes to a Chia Pet ad BTW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd,<br />
Simple. Dozens of manufacturers are making e-bikes, most with proprietary and not very robust electronic parts that are constantly being updated. All of those parts: motor, controller, battery, battery management, control panel, connectors etc have to be compatible with each other. The batteries have a short lifespan and other parts will fail in time as well. </p>
<p>A larger firm such as Gazelle will probably stock spare parts for perhaps ten years but often at absurd prices. The smaller operations will often not stock any old parts at all, if they even survive to be called in a few years.</p>
<p>In a nutshell an e-bike is much more complicated than a standard bike, will therefore require more repairs. But those repairs will be often be uneconomical or virtually impossible. So what&#8217;ll happen to the bikes: Some will be ridden with the batteries removed and the motor as dead weight. Some will get converted to non-e bikes. Some will actually get repaired. But in general the actual lifespan of e-bikes will probably prove to be an order of magnitude shorter than standard bikes.</p>
<p>Your link goes to a Chia Pet ad BTW.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Edelman</title>
		<link>http://www.bakfiets-en-meer.nl/2009/06/23/amsterdam-more-trips-by-bike-than-by-car/comment-page-1/#comment-2153</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd Edelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK. Henry. Could you please expand on your today&#039;s e-bikes are tomorrow&#039;s garbage thing? (Actually what does it take to... uh... deify an e-bike?)

Also, you have mentioned earlier your resistance to e-Bakfiets but I know that the two-wheel bike that yours is grown upon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzY7qQFij_M) in an e-version has been Blogged about on a UK site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK. Henry. Could you please expand on your today&#8217;s e-bikes are tomorrow&#8217;s garbage thing? (Actually what does it take to&#8230; uh&#8230; deify an e-bike?)</p>
<p>Also, you have mentioned earlier your resistance to e-Bakfiets but I know that the two-wheel bike that yours is grown upon (<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzY7qQFij_M" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzY7qQFij_M</a>) in an e-version has been Blogged about on a UK site.</p>
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		<title>By: henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 10:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jeff,
Various kinds of people drive cars in the city center. Probably a lot of them are driving for commercial reasons: businesses delivering goods, taxis, salespeople visiting customers with samples, realtors carrying clients around for example. There are also people with commutes to or from the city that they perceive as faster or more convenient by car Some people keep cars for occasional use: holidays, driving the kids to sports practice each week or visiting family in another city.

But, believe it or not there are also people (not many) who just choose to drive around the city, practical or economical or not. Perhaps its a status thing for them, or they could care less about the cost of parking and constant tickets. I know a very wealthy 60ish gentleman who drives his Mercedes everywhere and insists it&#039;s very practical. It doesn&#039;t bother him a bit that it costs several hundred euro a week for prime parking. Different strokes for different folks.

Yes, driving a car around the city is very much frowned upon by many Amsterdammers, as is riding a scooter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jeff,<br />
Various kinds of people drive cars in the city center. Probably a lot of them are driving for commercial reasons: businesses delivering goods, taxis, salespeople visiting customers with samples, realtors carrying clients around for example. There are also people with commutes to or from the city that they perceive as faster or more convenient by car Some people keep cars for occasional use: holidays, driving the kids to sports practice each week or visiting family in another city.</p>
<p>But, believe it or not there are also people (not many) who just choose to drive around the city, practical or economical or not. Perhaps its a status thing for them, or they could care less about the cost of parking and constant tickets. I know a very wealthy 60ish gentleman who drives his Mercedes everywhere and insists it&#8217;s very practical. It doesn&#8217;t bother him a bit that it costs several hundred euro a week for prime parking. Different strokes for different folks.</p>
<p>Yes, driving a car around the city is very much frowned upon by many Amsterdammers, as is riding a scooter.</p>
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		<title>By: henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 10:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd, 
Yes, cars and trucks are gradually being pushed out by various means: decreasing numbers of parking spaces, fewer drivable routes through the city and increasing restrictions on which cars and trucks may enter the city. At the same time cycling is being promoted by improving the bike road network, building more parking facilities etc etc.

This is all happening largely independent of the pedestrian facilities. People continue to walk here and the streets are crowded with tourists and locals alike on foot. The downtown areas are thriving and there is no significant movement to outside the city or away from independent shops. If anything the opposite seems to be true. The new developments such as in Noord and Ijburg and designed around bicycle, pedestrian and public transport.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd,<br />
Yes, cars and trucks are gradually being pushed out by various means: decreasing numbers of parking spaces, fewer drivable routes through the city and increasing restrictions on which cars and trucks may enter the city. At the same time cycling is being promoted by improving the bike road network, building more parking facilities etc etc.</p>
<p>This is all happening largely independent of the pedestrian facilities. People continue to walk here and the streets are crowded with tourists and locals alike on foot. The downtown areas are thriving and there is no significant movement to outside the city or away from independent shops. If anything the opposite seems to be true. The new developments such as in Noord and Ijburg and designed around bicycle, pedestrian and public transport.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 08:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me, the real question is: who is driving the cars?

Who would pay the high parking rates, gas costs, etc, so they can own a car in Amsterdam?

Upper class folks who want a status symbol, people who are physically unable to bike, or perhaps they have a long commute that public transport doesn&#039;t reach?

And do the cycling Dutch look down on people who use a car?

The longer I&#039;ve been a cyclist, fewer and fewer of my friends are drivers, and now I feel out of touch with the driver&#039;s mentality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me, the real question is: who is driving the cars?</p>
<p>Who would pay the high parking rates, gas costs, etc, so they can own a car in Amsterdam?</p>
<p>Upper class folks who want a status symbol, people who are physically unable to bike, or perhaps they have a long commute that public transport doesn&#8217;t reach?</p>
<p>And do the cycling Dutch look down on people who use a car?</p>
<p>The longer I&#8217;ve been a cyclist, fewer and fewer of my friends are drivers, and now I feel out of touch with the driver&#8217;s mentality.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Edelman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Edelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 00:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding increasing bike and decreasing car use:

* Is Amsterdam creating more spaces for bikes on major thoroughfares, or this a problem because of the manner in which their respective spaces are generally physically-separated?
Of course the first question is how much bike congestion is there?

* How about more space for pedestrians?

* Pedestrian and collective PT modal share? I mean, the main thing is that people are driving less, but where exactly are they doing instead? Some are cycling, but the others?
These cycle groups just care about cyclists... in the worst case scenario, a city can lose its small, distributed shops which can increase bike modal share as people go to more central stores, but then pedestrian share does down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding increasing bike and decreasing car use:</p>
<p>* Is Amsterdam creating more spaces for bikes on major thoroughfares, or this a problem because of the manner in which their respective spaces are generally physically-separated?<br />
Of course the first question is how much bike congestion is there?</p>
<p>* How about more space for pedestrians?</p>
<p>* Pedestrian and collective PT modal share? I mean, the main thing is that people are driving less, but where exactly are they doing instead? Some are cycling, but the others?<br />
These cycle groups just care about cyclists&#8230; in the worst case scenario, a city can lose its small, distributed shops which can increase bike modal share as people go to more central stores, but then pedestrian share does down.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Edelman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Edelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 00:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t say it here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t say it here.</p>
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		<title>By: henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;d think that the Dutch are pretty much riding nothing but battery operated bikes now. Sure some seniors off in the countryside, but they&#039;re still nonexistent in all the metro areas. Regardless, the e-bikes of today are the landfill of tomorrow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;d think that the Dutch are pretty much riding nothing but battery operated bikes now. Sure some seniors off in the countryside, but they&#8217;re still nonexistent in all the metro areas. Regardless, the e-bikes of today are the landfill of tomorrow.</p>
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