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	<title>Comments on: Nihola on its Nose</title>
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	<description>City cycling news &#38; opinions from WorkCycles in Amsterdam</description>
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		<title>By: mindcaster</title>
		<link>http://www.bakfiets-en-meer.nl/2008/05/18/nihola-on-its-nose/comment-page-1/#comment-777</link>
		<dc:creator>mindcaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 14:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Henry, 
I&#039;m a long time, native cyclist, indeed, only a short while ago I decided to translate my love for it to the web, should have done a lot sooner :)

I came across the race through a friend of mine, who mentioned it online (where else). So word of mouth. Didn&#039;t know beforehand it was a sponsored charity event, but that luckily that didn&#039;t &#039;spoil&#039; the fun.

groet!
Marc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Henry,<br />
I&#8217;m a long time, native cyclist, indeed, only a short while ago I decided to translate my love for it to the web, should have done a lot sooner <img src='http://www.bakfiets-en-meer.nl/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I came across the race through a friend of mine, who mentioned it online (where else). So word of mouth. Didn&#8217;t know beforehand it was a sponsored charity event, but that luckily that didn&#8217;t &#8216;spoil&#8217; the fun.</p>
<p>groet!<br />
Marc</p>
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		<title>By: henry</title>
		<link>http://www.bakfiets-en-meer.nl/2008/05/18/nihola-on-its-nose/comment-page-1/#comment-776</link>
		<dc:creator>henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 17:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DrMekon,
One can fiddle for years with the geometry and adjustments of a three-wheeler but in the end it&#039;ll remain a trike. As long as the load is reasonable and the rider is competent cycling on a bicycle (2 wheels thus) is simply more intuitive, pleasant and faster. The resulting vehicle is also narrower, simpler and cheaper (for a given level of quality). 

Of course such a special two wheeler must be well designed and constructed, and after a number of years of being spoiled with the excellent Bakfiets Cargobike the copies are adding up quickly. Thus far all of the Cargobike copies have either missed the important parts or just been too cheaply made to work properly.

WorkCycles once sold more trikes than bikes for child transport. But once people began to accept the Bakfiets Cargobike and see them on the streets the ratio gradually tipped in favor of the Cargobike. We also saw that our customers were generally happiest with their Cargobikes. They came back for service, new accessories and fresh tires. Their friends and neighbors also came to us to buy more bikes. The trikes we sold were often never seen again or they returned for &quot;non-use&quot; related repairs, sometimes covered in spider webs and with moss in the box. What a shame to spend €2000 on trikes and then not use it regularly.

Groeten,
Henry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DrMekon,<br />
One can fiddle for years with the geometry and adjustments of a three-wheeler but in the end it&#8217;ll remain a trike. As long as the load is reasonable and the rider is competent cycling on a bicycle (2 wheels thus) is simply more intuitive, pleasant and faster. The resulting vehicle is also narrower, simpler and cheaper (for a given level of quality). </p>
<p>Of course such a special two wheeler must be well designed and constructed, and after a number of years of being spoiled with the excellent Bakfiets Cargobike the copies are adding up quickly. Thus far all of the Cargobike copies have either missed the important parts or just been too cheaply made to work properly.</p>
<p>WorkCycles once sold more trikes than bikes for child transport. But once people began to accept the Bakfiets Cargobike and see them on the streets the ratio gradually tipped in favor of the Cargobike. We also saw that our customers were generally happiest with their Cargobikes. They came back for service, new accessories and fresh tires. Their friends and neighbors also came to us to buy more bikes. The trikes we sold were often never seen again or they returned for &#8220;non-use&#8221; related repairs, sometimes covered in spider webs and with moss in the box. What a shame to spend €2000 on trikes and then not use it regularly.</p>
<p>Groeten,<br />
Henry</p>
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		<title>By: henry</title>
		<link>http://www.bakfiets-en-meer.nl/2008/05/18/nihola-on-its-nose/comment-page-1/#comment-775</link>
		<dc:creator>henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 16:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mindcaster,
I&#039;d just spotted your site yesterday for the first time. Nice to have a fellow Amsterdam fiets-blogger. Maybe I&#039;ll put something up about the bakfietswedstrijd soon. I&#039;m sure a small trike can ride faster in a very tight course than a long Cargobike, but we fortunately don&#039;t often have to ride around cones in real life. ;-)

Just out of curiosity I never heard anything about that event. How did you come across it?

Groeten,
Henry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mindcaster,<br />
I&#8217;d just spotted your site yesterday for the first time. Nice to have a fellow Amsterdam fiets-blogger. Maybe I&#8217;ll put something up about the bakfietswedstrijd soon. I&#8217;m sure a small trike can ride faster in a very tight course than a long Cargobike, but we fortunately don&#8217;t often have to ride around cones in real life. <img src='http://www.bakfiets-en-meer.nl/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Just out of curiosity I never heard anything about that event. How did you come across it?</p>
<p>Groeten,<br />
Henry</p>
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		<title>By: DrMekon</title>
		<link>http://www.bakfiets-en-meer.nl/2008/05/18/nihola-on-its-nose/comment-page-1/#comment-774</link>
		<dc:creator>DrMekon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 14:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strange and unpleasant how it felt when we tried a Kangaroo. My impression was that as a means of moving kids and cargo about, particularly in a lowish-speed urban environment, it works. The &quot;box&quot; is pretty, albeit much like the Gazelle Cabby, I&#039;d like to see how it weathers. 

This respect to the tipping issue, we only tried our two year old in it, and he wasn&#039;t heavy enough for it to be an issue. Still, despite my wife and I being attracted to the look of trikes, we went for a 2-wheeler after trying a couple out simply because we felt the handling of the Kangaroo didn’t offer much in the way of cycling fun. To me, it felt like there was positive feedback in the steering, such that it could jackknife at speed. I did get it up on two wheels (for research purposes, honest), and it could be brought back down quite easily, but there were moments, even at quite low speed, where awkward camber changes made it difficult to keep it on the cyclepath.

I posted this on my blog and a long-term Kangaroo-owner pointed out that the steering problems could have been a function of a poorly adjusted steering damper. I don&#039;t know. However, it occurs to me that if the pivot could be sufficiently damped and not make it impossible to steer, there may be a sweetspot whereby the damper could stop the possibility of the frame swinging to one side in the event of the trike tipping. What is worth pointing out is that the Kangaroo&#039;s pivot works to cause the frame (and rider) to lean into a turn. I suspect that without damping, this would increase the likelihood that frame would swing to one side, and as you point out, it could be a serious concern if traffic was passing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strange and unpleasant how it felt when we tried a Kangaroo. My impression was that as a means of moving kids and cargo about, particularly in a lowish-speed urban environment, it works. The &#8220;box&#8221; is pretty, albeit much like the Gazelle Cabby, I&#8217;d like to see how it weathers. </p>
<p>This respect to the tipping issue, we only tried our two year old in it, and he wasn&#8217;t heavy enough for it to be an issue. Still, despite my wife and I being attracted to the look of trikes, we went for a 2-wheeler after trying a couple out simply because we felt the handling of the Kangaroo didn’t offer much in the way of cycling fun. To me, it felt like there was positive feedback in the steering, such that it could jackknife at speed. I did get it up on two wheels (for research purposes, honest), and it could be brought back down quite easily, but there were moments, even at quite low speed, where awkward camber changes made it difficult to keep it on the cyclepath.</p>
<p>I posted this on my blog and a long-term Kangaroo-owner pointed out that the steering problems could have been a function of a poorly adjusted steering damper. I don&#8217;t know. However, it occurs to me that if the pivot could be sufficiently damped and not make it impossible to steer, there may be a sweetspot whereby the damper could stop the possibility of the frame swinging to one side in the event of the trike tipping. What is worth pointing out is that the Kangaroo&#8217;s pivot works to cause the frame (and rider) to lean into a turn. I suspect that without damping, this would increase the likelihood that frame would swing to one side, and as you point out, it could be a serious concern if traffic was passing.</p>
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		<title>By: mindcaster</title>
		<link>http://www.bakfiets-en-meer.nl/2008/05/18/nihola-on-its-nose/comment-page-1/#comment-773</link>
		<dc:creator>mindcaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 09:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought I&#039;d point you to my post about yesterday&#039;s Mama Bakfiets Race (photos and video) Entertaining, to say the least :). 
Note: when it comes to attacking an obstacle course as fast as possible, the trike is the winner. But anyone with a trained eye will see the superior skills of the 2-wheeler bakfiets cyclist, proving your point.

http://amsterdamize.blogspot.com/2008/05/mama-bakfiets-race.html

cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought I&#8217;d point you to my post about yesterday&#8217;s Mama Bakfiets Race (photos and video) Entertaining, to say the least <img src='http://www.bakfiets-en-meer.nl/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .<br />
Note: when it comes to attacking an obstacle course as fast as possible, the trike is the winner. But anyone with a trained eye will see the superior skills of the 2-wheeler bakfiets cyclist, proving your point.</p>
<p><a href="http://amsterdamize.blogspot.com/2008/05/mama-bakfiets-race.html" rel="nofollow">http://amsterdamize.blogspot.com/2008/05/mama-bakfiets-race.html</a></p>
<p>cheers</p>
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